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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 2:19:33 GMT 8
both sex and gender are biological phenomenons. it's expressed in charyotype, reproductive organs, brain structure. we can't escape it, and there is no reason why we should. gender roles, gendered behavior, gender expectations, and all those are social constructs however. I'd agree entirely with all of this. actually, ifgender was a social construct, socialization would work. wouldn't it? aren't we all members of society? And yes, I'd agree with this. If gender were a social construct, then I'd be as male as anybody since that was the way I was raised, that's what I was encouraged/forced to be. But I'm definitely not male. Socialization didn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 5:31:56 GMT 8
both sex and gender are biological phenomenons. it's expressed in charyotype, reproductive organs, brain structure. we can't escape it, and there is no reason why we should. gender roles, gendered behavior, gender expectations, and all those are social constructs however. if gender was a purely social construct, there would be no need for nb folks to take hormones just to feel right. i wouldn't feel as awkward about my chest. if gender wasn't real, i should at least be able to feel completely comfortable without medical treatment. particularly since i plan to get treatment without any plans of some sort of social transition. we are all just people, until a woman get hormonal migrains and stomach cramps, and chooses to live with it because her female fertility is that important a part of her personal identity (society doesn't care abouther fertility after all). and if we try to abolish gender to treat everybody the same, all women who choose to bear a child would lose their job. but do you think such a system would stop women from getting pregnant? most likely not, and mostly because bearing their own child is most women's dream, important enough to be willing to sacrifice career, health, or even their own life, for it. i wonder how many men would do the same, if they had the ability to get pregnant. some trans men do get their own kids, but would they make that choice if they were guaranteed to lose their job for at least the next 3 years, and having to start at the bottom again afterwards? would also be interesting to how many of the women who grow up as boys in muslim countries would want to change their sex to male upon reaching adulhood, if they could get it easily and for free. i think a whole lot of them would rather choose to fight for women's rights as a woman, because that's their real gender despite male socialization. gender isn't visible on the outside though, and this is important to remember when meeting and talking about people. actually, ifgender was a social construct, socialization would work. wouldn't it? aren't we all members of society? I would say that sex is a biological phenomenon. Who we are attracted to and so on. I would think that gender is more of a psychological phenomenon. Deeper than just attraction to a certain set of individuals. I don't even know if I could say that gender roles or perceptions from others are a social construct. I replied to another post in which I tried the hardest but someone knew that I was a "Sissy". Where did I go wrong? Maybe I can't help the gender thing. It seems that I surely can't control it no matter how hard I try. It is something so embedded in my Psyche that it just shows through. This is not the only time either. Yes some have called me gay. Some sissy some tranny and so on. Not because of how I present but something else. Shit like this has happened more than I can even count. So I got a penis. I can grow a beard if I so choose. I can talk like a man if I lower my voice. I was socialized as a boy so WTF happened that so many people can pick up on it when I try my hardest to hide it? The reason I don't agree that gender is a social construct is because of what I just said. Another reason is before puberty and even with short hair, most adults thought that I was a girl. It was the '70's so short hair wasn't necessarily as short as today's is. But regardless my parents heard so many times, "You have a cute little girl". Even back then it didn't bother me. It did them though. I don't know why I was so misgendered when I was a child by people that didn't know my parents or me. It really sux remembering shit and then when puberty hit being devestated. I think gender is so complex that it is not a social construct but way deeper than society can comprehend or socialization can duplicate or control.
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Post by Taka on Oct 24, 2015 23:22:19 GMT 8
gender roles are all about the expectations we have of others and ourselves, based on sex, gender, or perceived gender. the silliest example is how pink is called a girl color, and dresses female clothing. those are inarguably social phenomena, as they could just as easily be seen as male in a different human culture. another thing would be interests and likes and dislikes. we have the oddest expectations there too. like how people talk about girls spending hours applying their makeup, when i know that boys often spend just as much time on their hair. and would on makeup too in a different era or culture.
expecting women to take more care of their children than men is also partly cultural. higher class women wouldn't always have time to spend on their children. though nothing seems to be said about whether that was a role forced on them or not.
but gender itself is part of brain structure. a biological thing. we wouldn't be able to know that our body parts or hormones are wrong if our brains didn't tell us. saying that it's all in your head, or that gender is between the ears, still means it's a biological thing. the brain is also part of biology, and there would be no trans or cis genders unless it was biologically implemented somewhere. which is in the brain.
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Post by Annys on Oct 25, 2015 14:29:03 GMT 8
I've always found it a fun factoid that before the 1940's, the common school of thought was that pink was decidedly a "boy's" color. One of the most quoted articles about it, from Earnshaw's Infant's Catalogue (June 1918) reads as follows: "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl." Obviously some things are equally complete constructs. Some things in the current stereotype are equally mutable as "pink = boy or girl". The stereotypical nuclear family is another example, in the process of shifting in modern western society, at least. Some things aren't so mutable, though, and really do seem inherent to me in gender. And there's nothing wrong with that. One of the major issues with this line of questioning is that it really isn't so easy to distinguish between social and biological constructs in our species. Even if things were simple constructs at first, generations of reinforcement can and do turn things into biological differences. It's an old argument, though certainly not an absolute rule, men hunt, women gather. Even when food becomes scarce, women do tend to shift toward other non-hunting roles, across many worldwide societies. The societies where these traditional roles are much more flexible are where things get really interesting for me. Here's a few examples: elodieunderglass.com/2012/10/29/th-gh-the-world-of-women-who-hunt/. I especially like the Inuit example, but in all of them cited in that article, traditional roles are still observed, even if not so rigidly. I feel like my ultimate point is that it is that rigidity of our current system that is the problem, not the system itself. Even the manliest man who ever manned will be "girly" sometimes, and vice versa. It's only when we believe that doing so is not completely normal that we are led into problems.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Oct 25, 2015 15:07:21 GMT 8
Gender roles/stereotypes.
When your psychiatrists asks you whether you like cats or dogs.
I shit you not. He really did ask me this, although to be fair, this was in one of our first few sessions 6-7 years ago.
Girls like cats. Boys like dogs. That kind of thinking really infuriates me. I actually like ALL animals equally, fuck you and your gender stereotypes.
My dad even tried using this as an argument against my transition, "You like cats. See? If you were a boy, you'd like dogs."
I'm seriously not kidding, he said those exact words.
This is coming from my dad who dressed up as a woman one time as a joke when he was young, put a wig on and all, melons down the girl top, wore a skirt, got out of the car, walked around the car at the fuel station and got a few wolf whistles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 20:36:17 GMT 8
I feel like my ultimate point is that it is that rigidity of our current system that is the problem, not the system itself. Even the manliest man who ever manned will be "girly" sometimes, and vice versa. It's only when we believe that doing so is not completely normal that we are led into problems. Thanks for this, Annys. I think this is an important point, and I think it's one we tend to overlook. We all talk about the "evils of society", and I'd go along with everybody on that. However, there are things I think we need to take into consideration. When we talk about "society's rules", sometimes (sometimes, mind you, not all the time), those rules are there because by and large that's what people are comfortable with. That is, society doesn't make us what we are by imposing rules on us; we make society what it is by deciding what rules we're comfortable with. Once upon a time, when you were playing "football", you always kicked the ball. No touching it with your hands, except in very special circumstances. Then somebody got the idea that it might be nice to just pick the ball up and run with it. Voila! Rugby. But then it was decided if you want to throw the ball rather than kick it, you had to throw it backwards, never forward. Until somebody got the idea that there's no real reason why you shouldn't throw it forward. Voila! American football. But it was decided you can only throw it forward once per play, and then only if you're behind the line of scrimmage. Until somebody decided that was a nuisance. Why not throw it forward as often as you like? Voila! Intramural football as played at the university I attended. And in some football games if you're running with the ball, you have to bounce it as you go along. Irish football, Australian football. In other words, it's not "football" that tells us what we have to do. We tell ourselves what we want to do. We decide on the rules, and we make football what it is. And you'll see this in lots of ways in society. If like me, you don't own a car, it can be a nuisance sometimes getting around, particularly if, like me, you live in a country where public transportation is in such a lamentable state. Is this because once upon a time the powers-that-be declared, "Thou shalt buy a car, and woe to those who do not, there will be much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness"? No. It was because the car was invented, everybody instantly fell in love with them, everybody started buying them, so that today in lots of places, transportation is centered around the car. There are lots of people in Dublin who'd love to do without a car, given that traffic is always such a mess. But public transportation being what it is there, if you don't own a car, you can have considerable problems getting around. This is a case where you pretty much have to go along with society's rule. But society didn't make the rule. We made it. We changed society by making a new rule ourselves. And I think you'll see this sometimes in gender roles and expectations. E.g., some years ago I saw a survey in which 70% of Irish women said they didn't make a career their first priority. And this didn't really surprise me. Because I have the impression that something a lot of people say is in fact true. I think it's true to say that women tend to like a more balanced life-style than men. They do want to work outside the home. They just don't want to devote their entire soul and energies to that work. Their kids are also important to them, and lots of them want to take maternity leave, maybe take a career break when the kids are young, etc. Now assuming this is true (and perhaps it's not, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong about this), this would be a case where women are doing something, not because it's a rule that's been imposed on them, but something that appears to be a rule because so many of them go along with it. It's what they're comfortable with, it's what they're happy doing. And if that's the case, I don't see any need to change things. I myself want people to be happy. And if they're happy doing something that is "gender-stereotypical", let them do it. Don't put pressure on them to change just because somebody else has another vision of society, another vision of what a woman should be. My view is that we have some serious problems in our society. This is because people are a long, long, long way from being perfect. We have a screwed-up society because we're screwed-up creatures. We're screwed up so we make a screwed-up society which contributes to the production of more screwed-up individuals who will then contribute to maintaining and supporting a screwed-up society, and so on and so on and so on. People think we need to change society. Yes!!! But in order to do that we need to change ourselves first. No point in imperfect creatures trying to create a perfect society. We bit by bit improve ourselves (no matter how difficult society might make it for us to do that), and then bit by bit we improve society. We become better people and therefore we start coming up with better rules. When it comes to gender, there are all sorts of things that need improving. But I myself don't want to be dogmatic about it. If there's something going on that is still gender-stereotypical but nonetheless appears to make a lot of people happy, then maybe leave it alone. For two reasons that I can think of: (1) at the end of the day, what exactly are men and what exactly are women? I'm not sure anybody knows. So why push people to behave in a certain way when we don't really understand them? I'm not going to tell a man what to do or a woman what to do because I cannot swear to them they'd actually be happier if they listened to me. Let them decide for themselves. (2) We've got enough really screwed-up things to work on without worrying about those that seem to be working OK.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 21:29:30 GMT 8
Well I need to personalize this more to understand it better.
I believe that much of the gender construct is an illusion that is carried with great force forward by the social views and conditioning of the masses. From the beginning the conditioning is enforced, the expectations immediate. Playing with the toy cars, getting the first motorcycle, fast cars, fast women, and the heavy competition of sports. Gendered? It is if we talk social conditioning and the almighty tool of the matrix, peer pressure.
But as sex and sexuality are added into the mix, and these things I think are hardwired deals, and as the instincts that really are tied to sex and sexuality are added in, then issues of gender harden. And when the guys go all muscle and stuff and start looking at the girls and trying to see under their blouse or up their skirts, get real of course we did, and when the girls start that whole process up of looking pretty and all that... well, thats more instinct than construct. And Taka's point about the baby instinct, hey, my instincts at core are pretty much male. Now is that construct? I dont think so.
So my core is not societies boy or girl. Now if I am out there, even when I am fully expressing sh'e, even with all that body language and sensuality and that intense need to see h'er in the mirror, when I am sh'e, and make her pretty and make her young, even dialed totally in, you are not going to see a woman. At full transition and with hormone levels double the typical mtf dose, I am still not a woman. But, I am a me, and I am going to make me as beautiful as I possibly can. In a very feminine way.
Dress in the construct, nobody bats an eye out there, they see she, they look, try to figure it out, see feminine attire and say, well, that must be a girl. Or they look closer and see a shadow of a beard, and they say, that is a guy pretending to be a woman. Which by the way is where the trouble can begin.... HAH I just kind of stare back at them and they drop their eyes.
Now dress out of the construct and break the rules and it starts to get more entertaining. Be all out guy and wear the feather earing, watch reactions on the street. Or I go to work and have makeup and a beard and stand my ground and see what people do. Offer them a cup of coffee and they relax. Be friendly, and sometimes they actually run and hide in a corner. Yeah that was work in Florida for a while.
Its the enforcement of the matrix binary construct that makes that so wild. If we are out genderqueered, the perception of the street is oh cool. Look at Lucky's pic if you wish in the music thread, the one on homelessness. I know some of the people in that documentary. Lucky did that final peice challenging the shelter cuts.
I know Lucky, she is a she, I blew that the first time round, she is one of the most courageous nonconforming gender people I have ever met. She has a look that is amazing, full transition, combining gender in some ways, but as real as the laptop beneath my fingers.
My respect for her is immense, she started that meeting. She actually reaches out and does something.
But gender norm? Nope. Just one of the coolest looks I have ever seen on the street, I swear she could have walked right out of the matrix as one of the leads in that show. Long leather coat, heeled boots and all. Very very cool.
Socially how are we treated in this environment? Not as freaks. We are treated with respect for being real.
But take that into the workplace and the binary enforcement kicks in. I am sure I am genderqueer at work, its just a subtle thing.
For me personally I enjoy the whole gender spectrum. There is nothing wrong with me having girls night out, and there is nothing wrong with me having guys night out, and there is nothing wrong with me having my night out, my days out, being out.
In the core there is a recognition that gender rules and norms do not exist for me personally, it is a matrix. Physically I have much that is woman, physically I have some that is male, but inside in the core, who am I and what is my gender.
My gender is me. The social contruct has its own definitions of male and female. And its fun to be them all. But at the end of the day, I am third gender, my gender, is me. And that is outside of the social construct and free of the matrix.
And I want to be the most beautiful me that I can be, and that is a female beauty, is that a label? I doubt it. My sex and sexuality is sh'e. Thats hardwired and binary and real. But my life itself, that my very dear loves is a transperson and it is not of the binary world.
Enforcement of the construct is what is killing transpeople. Living up to others expectations is killing our brothers and sisters. It is the social contruct that is doing this, the rejection that there are third gender people or binary transpeople that must be their pretty and handsome selves.
Look at the videos if you have the stomach for it. Its not for everyone. The revolution of trans is underway, and in all revolutions, there is a cost and price to pay for our freedom from the matrix. And that freedom is not to destroy our femininty or masculininty. Don't tell Lucky she isn't feminine, she is. That freedom is to enjoy the matrix without being controlled by it.
And thats why we have to see it for what it is, a matrix. To take the control away from them and give it to us.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Oct 26, 2015 1:20:11 GMT 8
Think of the construct as the construction of like a building that is society. The word is used because it better reflects society than to say this and that are stereotypes and such.
Yes, there are some inherent things about gender, and over the millenniums they have become hardwired, inherited. Those are changes that reflect what some think of as a part of gender, but it is a part of the changes in the sex's as people evolved, just like we evolved from other species and even have what we consider a different specie spliced into our gnome, we are sapiens and neanderthal, good thing that didn't make us all sterile back then, it may have for some, maybe we are from just some that didn't become that, we are from the ones that had more sapiens than neanderthal.
If you believe the construct that Darwin came up with, it's scientific and has some proven stuff, but it has assumptions made from those as we find ever more evidence of the bio stuff, and even have found stuff that might be a part of the gender stuff as we get closer to now, the construct evolved as well it would seem, as it would have, given how people breed. Evolution of the construction of society. Evolution of humankind's sex as well.
Hunter gatherer societies from the beginnings of such things, even family units, used everyone in all the roles as they were needed. To take down an animal with rocks and sharp sticks takes a group to surround it and take it down, everyone has rocks and sticks, you never know which way it will go. As groups became more sophisticated in how they survived, sure, certain things started to become a male thing (larger and stronger got breed more), while woman took over the tasks that didn't require a larger size, and for reasons we have virtually no evidence for other than assumptions or a construct, an idea, certain ones got breed more. Just like certain males did. Within certain groups of people, the beginnings of race is started. I wonder how much influence neanderthal has in this, it might,... life for all things is a curious thing, the study of chaos applies here as well.
It's just something slightly different that may or may not be an advantage, but it's different and it becomes a social construct that one is better than another, which may or may not be true, but assumptions are made and that's a construct of the mind, the construction of society becomes more 'sophisticated', depending on which race is dominant and how you see it, depends on who you are and if you follow the assumptions long enough, they become rules, the construct. Racism is started, because of ego's and assumptions, it is constructed out of those, it is a part of the construct. Phew... it takes going back into time somewhere where we have no hard evidence of any of this, other than it evolved in bio ways and in assumptions of how society is, and that is the construction of a construct, there are many of them and as a whole, we call it society, even looked at as a whole of the Earth, it's one big society that was built, for better or worse.
This is thousand and thousands of years to eventually hardwire certain characteristics into male and female sex's, gender was born as an assumption out of differences in the sex's. It is the rules that govern society, think if them as a structure and those hardwired things within the framework of the sex's are like the material that structure is built with. That structure is a construction of rules and assumptions, the construct. It's made out of the things that are different within the sex's, we are used to using societies (the constructs) way of interchanging sex with gender.. The idea that different things within the sex's are a gender thing keeps those who have different hardwiring separate because societies construction of itself has imposed rules that don't allow for certain differences within the sex hardwiring to be used or if used, hidden within the construct.
These things that are hidden and there are plenty of them in the construction or construct of society in general that are hidden away, not thought of, are the idea behind the 'The Matrix', what if it's really just a big fricken computer program and we are a part of the computers construction, the batteries so to speak, the movie, 'The Matrix', it even comes in a series of them, the idea is that good. It just became a thing that some of us used in the past as an example of that movie, that we became comfortable in using it as an example, we can imagine our lives in similar ways as trans.
But the movie is based on the construct, and it is built out of a lot of things, the gender construct is just one section of it, it's built out of things that are a part of the hardwiring of the sex's, and it is to the point that they are considered as bio gender parts and not bio sex parts, it's terminology. It's the rampant use of the wrong terminology that keeps it growing into some matrix kind of thing that confuses people into thinking that sex and gender are one and the same. Even if it's just some things that are confused, just these couple things that are a part of the sex of people that are not the same as the others, doesn't make them gender. Bio is sex, gender is used sometimes as a mistaken idea that they can be the same and for some, sex is the same, all of it.
That's the binary construct as we see it, because we are some of those who are different, our wiring is different, the bio stuff of the sex's that can be seen as gender, but that's a construct. It's so easy to just think of it as gender, it's hard to get away from the terminology of that constructed part of society, a construct. It's hard to get away from the simplistic idea that society is completely binary, that allows gender and sex to be interchanged, anything else is different so it is hidden away or worse yet, hides away because of the ego of majorities, they tend to think of themselves as the end all of it all...
To me, it's just like in the movie, 'The Matrix', (is it 'Matrix or The Matrix'?), but we start to see as we watch Neo learn about it and we can see the parallels to our society. Is society a program? Sure, but not a computer program, you can envision it that way, but then people would be using the word matrix instead of construct, the construction of society, which a computer program is, a construction of binary rules, on or off, that has rules that creates a language, several of them, to construct a program that does something. Nerds and geeks are even racist of a sort about their own languages that they use, even who made their computers, computer racism, societies rules allow that, it allows racism and hate for anything it deems to be different. It comes with the construction of society, it has laws and it has rules and guidelines and more...
Yah we have as trans, bio differences in our sex's, which when reflected by society, become a difference that the simplistic construction of it see's as too different. But we have been around hidden away in the construction of society, no reason to confuse the simplicity that so many favor, it makes dealing with the society that most favor easier to construct it and to keep the rules simpler for them, it's fricken hard to deal with something different, so they hid it within the walls of the construction, we and a lot of people and things make up the material used in the construction of societies construct. The bio is a part of the material used in the construction of a concept, society. Part of that concept is the one about gender, because inherently, it is how the differences, the differences... there is in the bio stuff that is used in it. It's just time to take down the veneer and let us be a part of the construct as a whole, because we all live in one, one way or another.
Just hope it doesn't get taken over by a HAL3000 or SkyNet or Hawkings computer (who knows what he's really up to, he comes up with some radical stuff to tell us to beware of, is he screwing around with computer programming as well?). See how easy it is to build something into the construct? Society has already incorporated the movie version of it in different movies at a theater near you. When we talk about the construct of society, it shouldn't be confused with Darwins construct of the bio stuff, like the sex stuff, even if it is easy to crossover the terms because of the simplistic way that society is constructed, we do that and the followers of that simplicity just laugh and laugh, because they just know that you're either male or female, depending on what is between your legs when you are born. We see it, some of us as a matrix, and we're learning how it works, we can say matrix or construct, one is from a movie, the other is the way society talks about it if they want to sound current in the words we use, it's a part of the construction as well. Ativan
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Post by Taka on Oct 26, 2015 2:06:35 GMT 8
as for the neandertals, the oldest musical instrument found till now, is a neandertal flute.
this tiny percentage of the human genome that stems from neandertals may well be the reason we love to talk and play music.
it's always interesting to see how prejudiced we are when it comes to looks. as if people who look a certain way are dumber or smarter or more or less cultivated. the assumption that neandertals were less intelligent is but an assumption. nobody actually knows the truth. though we do know they played music, and quote possibly are the origin of humans' ability to speak.
(what were we talking about again...?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 3:28:49 GMT 8
Qualifying this with the understanding that I am at core either non gendered or fluid or maybe even leaning towards the male side as defined by the constructs, frankly I have given up on defining that as other than just I am a me, in my mind the goal for the nonbinary trans is to find the way to move within that construct at will for their ultimate safety, survival, and health. For the binary trans the rules of the construct are harder, for I think that as they continue to go deeper within their gender truths, any incongruency with the gender constructs of society that are visible become laced with pain and fear of being found out.
We talk often of blending in, that is the construct, that is the need to adapt to it, to use it, to rise above it and to fly over it. In the nonbinary genders we have so many different ways we can do this, always conscious of the cores of who we are, and how that does not fit into the construct. We are quite simply not bound by the constructs rules, not inside our hearts, and we know inside us what feels real, and what feels like it is an overlay that is created by the social matrix we live and move in.
So to achieve freedom as a nonbinary, being aware of the construct, and being aware of our core as we move through it, we can disqualify the stares of those who see us as we are, the disapproving looks that are the opinions of those who maintain the architecture of these social traditions, norms and invasions into our souls.
And so we can adopt and really enjoy any of these social overlays, for they are enjoyable, they feel good, they are either in sinc with or in oppostion to our hardwired sex, or with our self perception of our social genders. Our spirit gender, is probably the best way to really put that.
When our sex is diametrically opposed to our spirit genders dysphoria peaks and in the end, we often need to adjust what we see to what we feel and need. In many ways that drive is so central to our well being that we would sacrifice anything to have it. Sometimes, we find we cannot have it, and we commit the ultimate sacrifice and end the pain.
But if we are conscioius of our core gender as well as our sex, if we are aware that these are unchanging and do not need to be in the pulbic eye, unless we want it to, or unless we NEED it to, then there is a measure of peace and it matters much less how we are presenting on the outside, for the core is fully engaged socially and fully free to express itself. When the core is in opposition to the sex and appearance, the nonbinary nature of us stands out, and the construct is confronted with something they cannot handle. And they either want it to go away, or because it is incongruous with their gender reality, they begin to laugh at us, and treat us as just another crazy.
Carried to its extreme and conclusion the psychological damage becomes extreme, the oppression intense. Since we are blending into the construct we are invisible, and in this invisibility, it is not percieved as normal. But as more and more rise to the surface and demand to be counted, and as the media of the construct adapts and adopts the new interesting drama that is unfolding, we slowly become the new normal, and those of us that are gender divergent just become another gender, unique in its beauty and not to be feared.
And therein lies some of the answers for us, for as we gain more and more exposure, we become the new normal. And when we become the new normal, the hatred and the oppression will be seen for what it is, a senseless cruelty against a defenseless people, a thing that is abhorent to the young people of this world.
The Gender Revolution has come. You are all the cutting edge of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 7:58:24 GMT 8
Gender roles/stereotypes. When your psychiatrists asks you whether you like cats or dogs. I shit you not. He really did ask me this, although to be fair, this was in one of our first few sessions 6-7 years ago. Girls like cats. Boys like dogs. That kind of thinking really infuriates me. I actually like ALL animals equally, fuck you and your gender stereotypes. My dad even tried using this as an argument against my transition, "You like cats. See? If you were a boy, you'd like dogs." I'm seriously not kidding, he said those exact words. This is coming from my dad who dressed up as a woman one time as a joke when he was young, put a wig on and all, melons down the girl top, wore a skirt, got out of the car, walked around the car at the fuel station and got a few wolf whistles. LMFAO at this Jayce. It is time to find a new shrink. As a matter of fact how the fuck can you relate cats to girls and dogs to boys? Sorry sweetie but your shrink sound like a fucking idiot. Animals are animals and humans and humans. Talk about apple and oranges. Fire the idiot. Look for one that has at least a little sense. Actually in veterinary medicine cats are more like men in the way they carry fat. Dogs are more like women in the way they carry fat. So really who are the idiots here. OMG girls like cats and boys like dogs. :rolleyes:What the fuck? Seriously? You have to be messing with us. Please tell me you are messing with us. Please, Please, Please. If you are serious then what country are you from so I won't move there. Sorry hon but this is really ridiculous. Actually ludicrous. My shrink has a dying dog with cancer she loves like family. I asked her if that made her masculine since she loved dogs and she told me no. That doesn't matter who or what you love. You just love. So I guess my Shrink which is total female is masculine? Just because she likes her dogs or loves her dogs? I don't think so. BTW I asked her before. Sorry but I want to know who I am dealing with and how they think. Whether you like cats or dogs. they are both animals and we should love an nurture both. Cats and dogs have their places in human kind. Both have contributed to mankind and like you Jayce. I love both equally. So a freakin psychiatrist asking you that question as a marker is about a fucking idiot. Invite them here and send them my way. I will debate their idiocy any day. they may know medicine but they sure don't know psychology.
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as for the neandertals, the oldest musical instrument found till now, is a neandertal flute. this tiny percentage of the human genome that stems from neandertals may well be the reason we love to talk and play music. it's always interesting to see how prejudiced we are when it comes to looks. as if people who look a certain way are dumber or smarter or more or less cultivated. the assumption that neandertals were less intelligent is but an assumption. nobody actually knows the truth. though we do know they played music, and quote possibly are the origin of humans' ability to speak. (what were we talking about again...?) What the hell is with the Neanderthals lately? This is the second post I saw it in. LOL I have seen some people that looked like a Neanderthal with the short neck, stout and with a prominent brow. Personally I believe that Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon interbred. I can't prove it and don't give a shit to try prove it even. I could care less what someone looks like. Since I am female in my deepest part of me. Hairy or hairless. Low brow or highbrow. short and stout or taller and muscular. I could give a shit what someone looks like. As a MTF I can't reproduce which my have something to do with it. Instinct runs strong in animals and a human is a special animal but I just want someone to love a cherish me. Treat me with respect and treat me the way I want to be treated. I could care less if they look like an ogre. As long as they are pure of heart for me.
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I said it first, could have been taking as something I didn't mean, or it's what I meant and don't know what I meant. I used to have Chrome Mags on a car I had...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 23:59:43 GMT 8
What the hell is with the Neanderthals lately? This is the second post I saw it in. LOL I have seen some people that looked like a Neanderthal with the short neck, stout and with a prominent brow. Personally I believe that Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon interbred. I can't prove it and don't give a shit to try prove it even. Actually, Jamie, my understanding is that it is now well established that all non-Africans have some Neanderthal DNA in them. www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-neanderthal-genes-modern-human-dna-01734.htmlAs to whether this makes a huge difference or not, I don't know. If two groups are genetically close enough to produce viable offspring, then there's no great difference in them anyway. Homo sapiens and Neanderthals were long regarded as either very closely related species, if not related sub-species--and I believe it's the latter view that prevails now. There's no way, I believe, it will ever be proven that homo sapiens learned speech from Neanderthals. I think it's certain, however, that our penchant for sit-coms and reality TV is attributable to our Neanderthal heritage. It's also my understanding that Neanderthals learned the expression, "WTF!" from us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 7:04:31 GMT 8
I said it first, could have been taking as something I didn't mean, or it's what I meant and don't know what I meant. I used to have Chrome Mags on a car I had... So Ativan. You are the one to blame. LOL. I was just messing with you because I do remember your post. But I am dead serious about seeing some people that I swear have a Neanderthal gene somewhere in the DNA. Shit I had a friend in school whose neck was about the same size as my upper thigh. He didn't have the lower brow or the sloping forehead but he was hairy as hell even in his teen years. He was short and stout and stronger than shit. As for Chrome Mags. God I hope it was a muscle car instead of a rice burner.
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