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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 22:09:57 GMT 8
Then let us carry you my dear, and don't be anyone but you. Let your hair down, put your feet up, curl up by our fire of passion, and be relaxed.
We can carry you. Rest a while.
Personally I have no expectations. My only wish, and I don't have expectations on it, is that you stay here, and let us enjoy having someone else like us in the house. Everyone that comes and cares stregthens us to take on another day, even if it is just by logging in so we see you are around.
Faces in words, faces that smile etched with pain, the faces of pain, sorrow, truth, love, and when we are with each other, faces of joy, sometimes causing us to burst into tears.
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Post by Leena on Jan 2, 2015 13:05:12 GMT 8
I just never liked the term as it was always used in a derogatory manner in the past. It actually means odd or outside of the norm, which is true of all of us. The word queer just creeps me out on a personal level. I am referred to by others as "eccentric", "a loveably curmudgeonly eccentric" and my spouse has privately referred to me as "Her exotic" when she sees me in my birthday suit. If someone openly referred to me in public as a queer I'd have to kick their ass! Same as Shantel on this one, though I present genderqueer. I prefer just flat out transsexual or transgendered person. Queer has gay connotations, and I am not gay. I am trans. But I totally respect others needs to I'd as queer. Blessings Trinity I don't really like the term either, though I also basically present genderqueer most of the time. It seems like a term I'd never feel comfortable using with a group of conservative old ladies, for example. I generally have considered them to be synonyms, though apparently that is not exactly true. I'm not even sure that genderfluid or bigender should be under the genderqueer umbrella, or at least that I should. I am just transgender most of the time, and cis some of the time. I spent way too much time trying to find some sort of stable identity in the middle, but that doesn't seem to be what I am. I only dress genderqueer because the world is somehow more ready for that than a non-transitioning MTF presenting in women's clothing, and I don't want to present as a man, ever, except when I flip masculine.
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Post by Sisyphus on Mar 10, 2015 11:05:58 GMT 8
When I read the first sentence of the post, I was like, whaaat? Not the same thing, but reading down it gave me new food for thought. While there are a few things that aren't consistent with my experience, there are several things that are not only consistent but seem spot on. Very useful thread. I used to see NB and GQ as synonyms but there is a difference and I can see how a GQ person may not be trans if we assume that they are politically motivated rather than Dysphoria driven. Now given the trans* thread I suspect there are a few other philosophical questions coming our way. Excellent. Safe travels Aisla What if you are neighter politically motivated nor dysphoria driven? What if you just are?
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Post by Ayla on Mar 10, 2015 18:21:32 GMT 8
In that case you may just be a Sisyphus. This seems to fit you very well indeed. The trouble is labels are never bespoke. It is a little bit like choosing a suit off the rack when you know that you don't have 'typical' dimensions. A custom made suit or a bespoke label like the one you have chosen and own probably best expresses just who you are.
I am increasingly less excited by labels or indeed by any taxonomy. In some ways I could describe myself as MTNB, MTA, or MTGQ but the only label that really captures who I am and the journey that I am on is M2ME. Perhaps just being, just being authentic, is really what our life paths are all about.
Safe travels
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 18:40:39 GMT 8
Yup.
Ya know, my Definition of genderqueer is simply visually not binary presenting.
I am whatever I feel like.
Others that can't figure it out, can't. The vis.
There is a political statement to being non stealth. But it's my truth too. One of them.
Screw labels. Be truth.
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Post by Whisper on Mar 24, 2015 16:29:34 GMT 8
40percent of non-binary identify with genderqueer. Not all.
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Post by Me on Sept 26, 2015 16:35:08 GMT 8
Perhaps a bit late for me to chime in here...
I do agree with the initial idea put forward that, given the impact of socialization in a particular gender, someone switching to the other side of the binary is really then somewhat encompassing both genders, and in that sense might be thought of as non-binary. However, isn't there a difference between being able to encompass both genders (trans) and being able to escape both genders (non-binary)? That said, if one has somehow mostly missed early gender socialization, or it was not in their assigned gender, then i think (as someone else said) that the original argument is less applicable.
One thing i would like to emphasize is the difference between encompassing both genders and escaping both. The difference is whether you are inside the gender box or outside it. This is why i say that trans is still just a flavor of binary. If you happen to like ice cream, it's great to have a choice of flavors, but if you don't like it, then no number of choices will make any difference.
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Post by Jamie2 on May 21, 2016 6:21:01 GMT 8
I'm curious if anyone else is creeped out or traumatized by the use of the word "queer" in genderqueer?
The reason I say that was because when I was a young child the word queer was used a slur for gay males, and it was used most especially during violence towards that group, or anyone else seen as gender nonconforming. For that reason, I could never have that word applied to me. But non-binary is a better fit for me anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 6:55:27 GMT 8
I'm curious if anyone else is creeped out or traumatized by the use of the word "queer" in genderqueer? The reason I say that was because when I was a young child the word queer was used a slur for gay males, and it was used most especially during violence towards that group, or anyone else seen as gender nonconforming. For that reason, I could never have that word applied to me. But non-binary is a better fit for me anyway. Yes. I am too. When I was coming up "queer" was a derogatory term. The word queer has a different meaning but the way it was used when I was younger was way too negative. I still don't use it. I know some people identify as gender queer but I just still use the word trans.
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Post by EchelonHunt on May 21, 2016 20:34:01 GMT 8
Not me.
I'm fine with identifying as queer in terms of identity and sexuality. I understand why people dislike the term queer but with all things, with time, definitions change. Its like when transsexual was used all the time, now it's transgender. What was once called Gender Identity Disorder is now known as gender dysphoria. Genderqueer is now commonly known as non-binary, although many wish to ID as genderqueer, just as many ID as transsexual, in that they don't identify as trans but see being trans as a medical condition, a birth defect that has to be corrected. Its neither wrong nor right, it is what it is.
The first I ever heard the word "queer" was the "We're here, we're queer" chant.
If me identifying openly as queer in my profile makes anyone uncomfortable, deal with it. I thought of removing it but no, fuck that, it took me a long time to accept I am queer in my identity and sexuality, it took viewing a YouTube video of two transguys discussing their queerness and how comfortable they were in expressing said queerness to allow me to think, "It's okay for me to be queer and express that." Only then, did I begin to accept and embrace it.
ETA: Just wanted to add, when I say I identify as queer, there is NO political connotations. I'm not one to make political statements. My being queer is more my expression of gender fluidity in identity, expression and sexuality, if that makes sense. I don't follow the gender norms for any of those things, I'm not straight, I'm not gay, I'm not bisexual, pansexual or any other term like that, I'm a swiggly line of random fun and joy.
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Post by Trinity on May 21, 2016 20:39:02 GMT 8
I dodnt like queer. And its a label i dont apply to myself.
But I met the queer underground in the NY theater, the artists.
I like queer. They took a derogatory statement and turned it into a medal.
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Post by Jamie2 on May 21, 2016 23:52:56 GMT 8
Not me. I'm fine with identifying as queer in terms of identity and sexuality. I understand why people dislike the term queer but with all things, with time, definitions change. Its like when transsexual was used all the time, now it's transgender. What was once called Gender Identity Disorder is now known as gender dysphoria. Genderqueer is now commonly known as non-binary, although many wish to ID as genderqueer, just as many ID as transsexual, in that they don't identify as trans but see being trans as a medical condition, a birth defect that has to be corrected. Its neither wrong nor right, it is what it is. The first I ever heard the word "queer" was the "We're here, we're queer" chant. If me identifying openly as queer in my profile makes anyone uncomfortable, deal with it. I thought of removing it but no, fuck that, it took me a long time to accept I am queer in my identity and sexuality, it took viewing a YouTube video of two transguys discussing their queerness and how comfortable they were in expressing said queerness to allow me to think, "It's okay for me to be queer and express that." Only then, did I begin to accept and embrace it. ETA: Just wanted to add, when I say I identify as queer, there is NO political connotations. I'm not one to make political statements. My being queer is more my expression of gender fluidity in identity, expression and sexuality, if that makes sense. I don't follow the gender norms for any of those things, I'm not straight, I'm not gay, I'm not bisexual, pansexual or any other term like that, I'm a swiggly line of random fun and joy. I don't want you to remove it or stop identifying as queer. Nor do I care who uses the word tranny. All I'm saying is I can't use it for myself because it equals trauma. Me using queer is like getting traumatized all over again. It's like getting raped in a red dress; you don't want to wear the red dress anymore. I also suspect queer is more a generational thing. People much younger than me don't have the same associations with the word that many in my generation do.
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Post by Jamie2 on May 23, 2016 3:22:02 GMT 8
Google definition of queer.
queer
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1. strange; odd.
"she had a queer feeling that they were being watched"
synonyms: odd, strange, unusual, funny, peculiar, curious, bizarre, weird, uncanny, freakish, eerie, unnatural; More
verb informal
1. spoil or ruin (an agreement, event, or situation).
"Reg didn't want someone meddling and queering the deal at the last minute"
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Post by EchelonHunt on May 23, 2016 13:06:43 GMT 8
I didn't mention the word tranny but it's funny you bring it up because one of the transguys in that YouTube video I watched, he has had negative experiences (much like yourself with the queer word) with the word tranny and cannot see himself, much less fathom the idea of others reclaiming the word tranny. So I agree with you that it may be a generational thing, but also it comes down to people's personal experiences they have had with said word. If you're going to copy and paste the Google definition of queer, it may also help to include what it means today, from Wikipedia's Queer page;
Because it is much like the definition of sex - many people believe sex is biological, that it is chronosomes, that it cannot be changed, that it's something you will always be forever. Many also believe sex is your gender, that if you're born female, you're female, if you're born male, you're male, end of story. The transguy on YouTube has expressed his discomfort over the sex definition and used his body as an example, he was born female, he knows he can never change that fact, however he has changed his sex, he no longer looks female and he has also changed his sex marker to M. So he's like, what gives? Both transguys agreed that sex is what you were assigned at birth, that's it. The way I see myself, I know I can never change the fact I was born female and I would never pretend to have been born a male cis-guy (e.g. go stealth, erase my entire female history and replace it with a male history), I fully embrace my past I had as a female, it has allowed me to, for lack of a better word, have the "best of both worlds". I was able to view through the lens of being female, male and now as a non-binary person. My experiences as being objectified as female as allowed me, as a male, to become painfully aware of the sexual objectification towards women that has become socially acceptable among male groups. It was truly an eye-opening experience, I would not want to wish being trans on anyone, not even my enemies but if everyone could see the world how I saw it, even if it's just one day, as a female and as a male, I think a lot of people would adjust their attitudes quick smart. As a female, I would be given knowing smiles by other women, they would be all too eager to talk to me about their children and gushing over the items they have brought for their child. If I cried, women would look empathetic as if they could feel my pain. As a male, this connection to women is cut off. If I spend a second too long looking at a wife and her child, the fear creeps in her eyes and she backs away, perceiving me to be a potential predator. One time, I got frustrated with a female who worked in retail (it wasn't her fault, I was overreacting) and she visibly cowered in submission. It was a slap to my face to see that reaction from her, it gives me insight on just how much power an angry male can have over a female, how much society has conditioned people to react a certain way... needless to say, from that point on, I actively worked to keep my frustration in check. Whew, that went off on a little tangent... take with it what you will... ETA: There are many different definitions of queer, sex, etc aside from the Dictionary definition. We all have our own perception of words and how they impact us. Neither is wrong nor right, it is what is is.
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Post by msenigma on Jul 21, 2017 23:21:50 GMT 8
To me, Non-binary Means a Person who is born As a Gender Just not Recognized in the Binary System, It is not a Life style Lol, as what Tumblr People try to Advocate. (it is not about Someone born as a boy, feels like a girl,t hentransitions to a girl, No, It is about a girl unrecognized as born as a girl, Raised a boy, realizes they are a girl but not recognized, and wants to transition to a girl while struggling with the worlds Stance on her Sexuality' and biology and education for this person is almost life threatening.)
But in Other Countries it has now being used to Advocate and give the Gender of Choice to A child when it grows. As some Children dont really grasp what gender even means.
I feel my experiences are in line with Non-Binary People Because i was not born with a birth Certificate, But i still felt more female but just not widely Accepted in the Binary System.And Religious Community.
I feel the Transgender Community has still Been a Misrepresenting part of my life wich is only a Early Realization for me now' Most part because of the many Misrepresenting Figures trying to Alienate many trans people with the Visibility thing and Catalyn Jenners where the transflag as turned into a more Gender-fluid culture instead of What it was meant for' To reclaim.restore,Repair a persons Innate gender identity to their body In a medical culture of transitioning, It is not about People Wearing Gender as a Accessory.... but Anyhow..Its all gone messed.
They all feel to me like cisgendered Trans, Straight,Gay,Bi People who all have been educated to perceive Gender and Sexuality in a way dominated by the Colonists and Religions about the Binary Gender, And I can agree with Isla that some trans people are non-binary people who are just mistaking themselves as trans people for medical privilidge.
Some Non-binary people are trans but it does not mean they are as a ''identity''with the trans thing' they're still people Unrecognized for their gender and Its really Just a Medical Label' why Fit in a life style? or Gender analysis.. Its all Gone wrong' and I believe People Should Stop Labeling The Different Genders in History, As a trans thing' when it could have all been Intersexual, non-binary People, Much like Native Two spirit Americans and Intersexual people who just got turned into mythological figures for Athiests to Hate Upon.
TheTerm Transgender Might have just been really born in the 19th Century In a age when Many Feminists or Men Discovered the Use of HRT. this was only after the Research in Peoples Receptive Hormone Studies ck in the 1930's. and There was a Testifying Old Person who Described how back in the 1915's, IT was a Important demand for many woman to use HRT.
I VEry interested in researching Gender Biology in non-bianary People' and I feel there is much less people nowa days who Differentiate the Biology of Gender being different then the Biology of sex. Lydia Becker, A suffrage Feminist was one of the first female feminists in the 18th Century that At Least Wanted to point out that different gender biology could even exist in Plants, and such a thing as biological social constructs could exist in a inherent System wich was Abit Different Then Darwins Evolution theory.
Still not enough people who even Differentiate The evolution of Nature, from Evolution of animals -,-, Feminists are Still Even Wrong about Sex Demorphia Existing in the binary because it doesnt really Classify Anything Beyond that.
One important Fact, Religion Became a purposed Science in Some Old Date, around 14th to the 16th century even untill now. And I find it unhealthy How so many People have Tried to rob our Identities simply for the purpose of Religion And Science , its Very Disgusting.
I encourage This topic and find it positive for me And Wish people could understand How to be more smart in Distincting Differences in A Diverse Culture.
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