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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 6:23:59 GMT 8
I can relate to what AnonBear has said, I've experienced the same thing at a trans group meeting I used to attend regularly until it finally dawned on me that not only was the general mindset strictly binary, but that the members had all bought into a sort of group-think mentality and the peer pressure put full transition expectations on everyone present. Needless to say I stopped going. This also happened on Susan's when two militant MtF types piled on in a really insulting manner when they found that I had all the necessary letters but decided against SRS. They were so incredulous and resorted to snotty remarks and oddly nothing was said about it at the time and I assume that the mods that were on may have been in agreement with them. I was really thrilled when Ativan plugged hard for the non binary forum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 6:40:41 GMT 8
I am unaware of the existence of an LGBTQIA community. I supposed that means I feel excluded. But what I find is that there is an L community, a G community, a B community, and so on. Sometimes they come together and collaborate as an alliance. Sometimes they are quite adversarial. The LGB part is more likely to form alliances among themselves than with the TQ part because the L, G, and B have issues stemming from sexual orientation, but gender identity concerns are simply not a part of their lives. They often care little about the T and Q because TQ issues are about gender identity--a different issue. I belong to a group that is mostly made up of gay men. I'm their token trans* person. But these folks tend to be very welcoming allies of trans* people. Not all gay groups are. When I first came into the trans* community, I found myself excluded because my pre-transition appearance was not conforming enough (I am one of those strange people for whom transition made me more passable than when I was trying to live as a cis person). Now I'm kind of a local celebrity, so I'm welcome anywhere I go In TQ spaces, barring a handful of people who happen to hate me. But I still get criticized except that now it's because I am too gender conforming and trans* people don't think that's right. It's kind of strange. I guess the bottom line is that I see a lot of exclusion. I know where you are coming from. It's really sad when the whole world seems to understand and sympathize with sexual orientation and not so much about gender identity. But sexual orientation is about what turns a person on more than what a person feels inside. I can tell you exactly what turns me on. It is kind of hard to explain how I feel though. I know how I feel but really can't explain it to others in a way that they can identify with unless they know someone or are going through the same thing themselves. Sex is easy to understand, gender isn't. But with the reapeal of DADT by the US Military I kind of felt, no I strongly felt we were excluded. But I am also a B so I was kind included but not enough though. But one thread of hope. I was watching Fox News this morning. Yeah I know Fox News. OK so let me duck the rotten vegetables. ??? But on the bottom of the screen where the ticker is there was something about males that identify as female and females that identify as male can join the atletic departments of a school as long as their parents signed a permision slip and stated that their child was transgender and had a letter from a healthcare provider statine the child's gender orientation. Stuff like this gives me hope that we are making headway in that we are on our way to accpetance.
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Post by Whisper on Dec 6, 2014 7:40:24 GMT 8
To answer the first question posed in the first post.
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