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Post by Trinity on Jun 21, 2020 22:31:59 GMT 8
As the battle rages around us, on a personal level I am convinced I made the right choice that was catalyzed by a few artists that reached out to me. Clarity came in terms of who I am and what I can offer to others in the madness around us, and it galvanized my belief in The Battle for the Heart.
I was watching the riots, they were the protests, the one I was watching escalated as the police came in, started with a burning police car but really heated up when an old white guy with a crossbow went after the protesters and they overpowered him and turned his car over and set it on fire. I don't blame them.
All escalation over hate, and its justification of hate that is our problem, hate of trans, hate of each other, just hate all over the place.
Meanwhile the protesters were either venting their anger or talking of the need of unifying in love, and that is the message that I hope does not get drowned out or warped, and frankly I think that was the message of the 60's. History is repeating itself.
For me I wonder what my responsibility out, I know in prayer I was called out, told to withdraw, but its not a total withdrawl, its to sequester myself to speak the message of the heart and that mostly from the arts.
This forum is and has always been a part of that battle, to restore those who are wounded, to bring them to a place of truth, to turn away from anger and pain and find their way, to help give the courage to stand up for thier beliefs and their needs.
This forum in particular allows for many beliefs, I may not agree with yours or yours with mine, but the overall purpose of the forum, and sometimes we fail at it miserably, is unconditional love. However, we also passionately protect it from trolls and from those who would plant hatred within it.
So many of you, of us, have such an important message on this place of communication, and the forum is dying, perhaps it filled its purprose, perhaps it is in a pause, perhaps we just have been here so long that we are winding down. But it always has to be here, some of us have pledgedd to always be there if someone reaches out.
What is your difference to make?
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Post by Leena on Jun 22, 2020 8:05:19 GMT 8
As the battle rages around us, on a personal level I am convinced I made the right choice that was catalyzed by a few artists that reached out to me. Clarity came in terms of who I am and what I can offer to others in the madness around us, and it galvanized my belief in The Battle for the Heart. I was watching the riots, they were the protests, the one I was watching escalated as the police came in, started with a burning police car but really heated up when an old white guy with a crossbow went after the protesters and they overpowered him and turned his car over and set it on fire. I don't blame them. All escalation over hate, and its justification of hate that is our problem, hate of trans, hate of each other, just hate all over the place. Meanwhile the protesters were either venting their anger or talking of the need of unifying in love, and that is the message that I hope does not get drowned out or warped, and frankly I think that was the message of the 60's. History is repeating itself. For me I wonder what my responsibility out, I know in prayer I was called out, told to withdraw, but its not a total withdrawl, its to sequester myself to speak the message of the heart and that mostly from the arts. This forum is and has always been a part of that battle, to restore those who are wounded, to bring them to a place of truth, to turn away from anger and pain and find their way, to help give the courage to stand up for thier beliefs and their needs. This forum in particular allows for many beliefs, I may not agree with yours or yours with mine, but the overall purpose of the forum, and sometimes we fail at it miserably, is unconditional love. However, we also passionately protect it from trolls and from those who would plant hatred within it. So many of you, of us, have such an important message on this place of communication, and the forum is dying, perhaps it filled its purprose, perhaps it is in a pause, perhaps we just have been here so long that we are winding down. But it always has to be here, some of us have pledgedd to always be there if someone reaches out. What is your difference to make? Hugs This hatred has been around for quite a long time, it's just all out in the open now.
I stick around to try to help others that come here, but my own questions have mostly been answered. I had much more to say when I was still questioning and unsure of what transitioning would be like.
I'd like to do something more to help trans and nonbinary people, but I'm not sure what that is exactly just yet.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 22, 2020 8:45:24 GMT 8
Opinions and advice is about it, but just sort of freewheeling into a topic is fine, there isn't anything about having to even be accurate or correct, although it helps. Most of the older conversations here closer to the beginning were very much just tossing something out there and if someone runs with it, then fine. There were and sort of still is the kind of stuff that goes for a few days worth of conversation, but so much has been said and so much condensed down to a minimum of things to say, it seems pretty dry now. But just the daily stuff of life is interesting and honestly, so many people never get up the nerve or ideas they need to ask about things, and if nobody asks a question, it makes it hard to give the answers they are looking for. I think the levels of discouragement in the country has gotten us to the point of just not wanting to engage like we used to here, but hopefully enough of the truly bad apples in politics will be voted out and the country can be on its way to actually being great again. The relentless attacks on everyone but himself has by trump has left a bad feeling in everyones minds, even the senate republicans can't be that stupid and uninformed and just in general fuckups. But its hard to tell because they have formed the code of bad ethics to prop up the wannabe dictator in attempts to further their sad little careers as ass kissers and deplorables, if they lose control of the senate, only good things are going to happen to the people of this country. Getting the politics back on track is going to be the one single biggest thing to stop the despair that so many people live with, day in and day out, get rid of their control and the light will shine again, and maybe, just maybe the country can heal. So for right now, just the maintaining of posts is critical because its hard to ask questions when we all feel beaten back by the current state of the country, even the little small things matter for us here, it doesn't have to be anything big, just real.
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Post by kalima on Jun 22, 2020 12:15:20 GMT 8
Offering a newbie perspective, engaging with us is really important. We may be (and I am) questioning, insecure about all of this, feeling alone, etc. So when a newbie posts, if you can engage with us even if you are long past that phase, it can be very affirming. Yes, I can go back and read your posts from years ago and learn some things, but that is different from dealing with my present. I envy the robustness of the dialogues you had in the past. I am looking for that and have not found it here or on any other online forums. I still feel like I haven't found my tribe.
I really don't mean to lay any kind of guilt trip -- you are not responsible for engaging with me or anyone else. I am just letting you know there are still plenty of us in a place where you were a few years ago, and my guess is that they come and go from this forum pretty quickly. If you want to help, engage with us from your personal, emotional experience, not from a place of conceptual or political rants. We need you.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 22, 2020 12:41:44 GMT 8
Offering a newbie perspective, engaging with us is really important. We may be (and I am) questioning, insecure about all of this, feeling alone, etc. So when a newbie posts, if you can engage with us even if you are long past that phase, it can be very affirming. Yes, I can go back and read your posts from years ago and learn some things, but that is different from dealing with my present. I envy the robustness of the dialogues you had in the past. I am looking for that and have not found it here or on any other online forums. I still feel like I haven't found my tribe. I really don't mean to lay any kind of guilt trip -- you are not responsible for engaging with me or anyone else. I am just letting you know there are still plenty of us in a place where you were a few years ago, and my guess is that they come and go from this forum pretty quickly. If you want to help, engage with us from your personal, emotional experience, not from a place of conceptual or political rants. We need you. I read each and every post written to this forum, sometimes there isn't much to say about things other than conceptual or politically, just where my head is at nowadays. What I would like to see is interaction from the newbies, and then there is more of a conversation that instead of just being able to conceptually throw something out there, I can rather steer the conversation. It's in the dialogue most of the time, because I have no way of knowing if the conceptual answer is one that satisfies the questions asked, but once a dialogue is more established, then the apparent becomes more clear. It's in the talk, the dialogue of others now that the answers to questions become something with meaning, that old been there done that from me is about where it is now, not that I have all the answers, nobody does. Each and every person who comes along has something to offer and that is more of the point to me now, that conversations are started and kept going from the perspectives of each and every person. I know that a lot of times it sounds conceptual and I am very political, just the way I am, but it isn't at all like I expect or even want others to agree, I can only hope they do or have something more worthwhile to say in place of what is just my opinion. Maybe the problem for right now in the short term isn't that you haven't found your tribe, but maybe more you can't see it here all around, start and hold the ideas and opinions you carry, they are as worthwhile and likely more than my jaded thoughts. Good post, just what is needed here, and while there is plenty of information in the past posts, it is always new to someone somewhere who wants to know and has a question.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 22, 2020 19:49:43 GMT 8
Offering a newbie perspective, engaging with us is really important. We may be (and I am) questioning, insecure about all of this, feeling alone, etc. So when a newbie posts, if you can engage with us even if you are long past that phase, it can be very affirming. Yes, I can go back and read your posts from years ago and learn some things, but that is different from dealing with my present. I envy the robustness of the dialogues you had in the past. I am looking for that and have not found it here or on any other online forums. I still feel like I haven't found my tribe. I really don't mean to lay any kind of guilt trip -- you are not responsible for engaging with me or anyone else. I am just letting you know there are still plenty of us in a place where you were a few years ago, and my guess is that they come and go from this forum pretty quickly. If you want to help, engage with us from your personal, emotional experience, not from a place of conceptual or political rants. We need you. Great, gutsy post. Food for thought and also concerning. Thanks for speaking up. I tend to shy away from spiritual things that are not in allignment with my own beliefs, and focus on relationship and healing. But I lose my way at times. Hugs darling.
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Post by Leena on Jun 23, 2020 0:30:41 GMT 8
Offering a newbie perspective, engaging with us is really important. We may be (and I am) questioning, insecure about all of this, feeling alone, etc. So when a newbie posts, if you can engage with us even if you are long past that phase, it can be very affirming. Yes, I can go back and read your posts from years ago and learn some things, but that is different from dealing with my present. I envy the robustness of the dialogues you had in the past. I am looking for that and have not found it here or on any other online forums. I still feel like I haven't found my tribe. I really don't mean to lay any kind of guilt trip -- you are not responsible for engaging with me or anyone else. I am just letting you know there are still plenty of us in a place where you were a few years ago, and my guess is that they come and go from this forum pretty quickly. If you want to help, engage with us from your personal, emotional experience, not from a place of conceptual or political rants. We need you. It's hard to not be political when politicians are talking about us and making policy that effects us. We were pretty much flying under the radar to most politicians until 2016 or so. It comes and goes though. One can only be not political if one can get along with the people currently in charge. The people currently in charge don't want someone like me to exist, so yeah I'm political.
The robust discussions here when I was questioning were mostly with other people that were questioning. I was questioning for a very long time, and glad I am not anymore. I'm not sure I can relate to those sort of discussions without putting myself back into that state, so I kind of avoid them now.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2020 1:38:41 GMT 8
kalima you had initiated a couple of concepts that I saw and I chose not to react to. Sometimes, our own fear stops us from replying. You were talking about being a female spirit within a male body, and trying to adjust to that. Or something like that. I didn't have any idea where to go with that. The spiritual posts, which Ativan addressed, also hit a key spot with me. What you do not know is that I was trained in the occult and left it behind, I needed and still need protection, there is a lot out there in the unseen world. Oddly, it was given to me to remember who I was preincarnate, and when I was called to come down here, I was a male then, and came into a transitioned body in the womb. I also was very selfish, that I remember. And I remember the two angels that came and got me and sent me here to this earth. I am hyper sensitive about a lot of it. I am under the direct protection of the Christ and I have to be. But when it comes to spirit, and soul, and gender, its a super interesting topic and a thread worth launching and I would invite you to do so. Just be aware that I get very nervous about all of that. I'm pretty beaten up. I hope, big time, I do not return to paradise as that old bald man that was in the garden loving his birds. I don't know where it all leads. And there's another discussion to have, loaded emotionally, about why we are so drawn into mysticism as a group, is it because we were driven from the church, or is there some other reason. Thats about as far as I am willing to go with this, it scares the piss out of me. I used to start a lot of threads back in the day. Maybe I should do it again. I am not sure where my role is with the forum now, what I am to be used to do, other than to love and support, I did what most trans females do, slid into stealth, transitioned, found my path, and fought the battle until I just got emotionally spent and used up. There come a point, we can keep the fight going for a long time, but there has to be periods of rest. Other forums I have seen have no depth, they bog down in language and identity. This forum is supposed to be about living and loving and being. But we have been here a long time and maybe we lost some of our focus. Off again, back t o work, hormone results coming today and I may need to fight for my progesterone again. Fear. Corrosive, deadly, fear. Its the biggest thing for trans, it clouds our vision, causes us to react, makes us do things we regret, and stresses us to the max. And in todays environmnet, fear is king.
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Post by kalima on Jun 23, 2020 7:27:23 GMT 8
Wow! Those were all heartfelt and meaningful replies. Thank you! That is what I am talking about!
I agree with you, Leena. I am not anti-political, and politics has profound implications for non-binary people. At some point, I am sure I will participate in threads with political themes. But I get a lot of time with politics and activism in other parts of my life, so my main motivation for being on this forum is personal/emotional.
Trinity, we could have some rich discussions -- I was involved in a spiritual group for 20 years (kind of a Hindu / western mysticism combo with an American teacher), which cured me permanently from chasing or following spiritual teachers or gurus. But it did open up my awareness a lot! Your sharing made me feel much less alone, because it is also obvious that, like me, you have non-ordinary awareness. Given the historical relationship between non-binary and mediation with the spiritual dimensions, I hoped to find others here with that combo. You might feel safer with personal messages between us than in a forum that can be read by anyone.
Ativan Prescribed, I can tell from your posts that your consciousness is non-ordinary! I hope that you are able to share what you personally experience, as valuable as your vast knowledge is on a variety of topics. If not, that is not a problem. You are uniquely you, and I appreciate that.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2020 10:44:33 GMT 8
Trinity, we could have some rich discussions -- I was involved in a spiritual group for 20 years (kind of a Hindu / western mysticism combo with an American teacher), which cured me permanently from chasing or following spiritual teachers or gurus. But it did open up my awareness a lot! Your sharing made me feel much less alone, because it is also obvious that, like me, you have non-ordinary awareness. Given the historical relationship between non-binary and mediation with the spiritual dimensions, I hoped to find others here with that combo. You might feel safer with personal messages between us than in a forum that can be read by anyone. That part of me has been largely shut down for reasons of protection for me. Its fine for it to be out in public. I follow, and am owned by, Christ Himself. I stay away from all other things involving the spirit world. No you are not alone. And on this forum you will find acceptance. My wife was Hindu. We are both Pentacostal Christians now. We live it. Forgive me if you find me not commenting much. But yes, its all out there, both good and bad. A tool is just a tool, an ability just an ability. What is done with it, and who controls it, is the big issue. I do not agree with the church''s condemnation of trans and nonbinary. However I align with them strongly on new age and spiritism. I have seen too many things. It is odd that so many of us are in the occult or psychic stuff. I don't know why. I have serious enemies in the spirit world. I don't want to wake them up. Welcome here and God bless you. My journey is a long story. In the end I met the Lord face to face and it changed everything. If it wasn't for Him, I would be a statistic.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2020 22:08:07 GMT 8
Trinity, we could have some rich discussions -- I was involved in a spiritual group for 20 years (kind of a Hindu / western mysticism combo with an American teacher), which cured me permanently from chasing or following spiritual teachers or gurus. But it did open up my awareness a lot! Your sharing made me feel much less alone, because it is also obvious that, like me, you have non-ordinary awareness. Given the historical relationship between non-binary and mediation with the spiritual dimensions, I hoped to find others here with that combo. You might feel safer with personal messages between us than in a forum that can be read by anyone. That part of me has been largely shut down for reasons of protection for me. Its fine for it to be out in public. I follow, and am owned by, Christ Himself. I stay away from all other things involving the spirit world. No you are not alone. And on this forum you will find acceptance. My wife was Hindu. We are both Pentacostal Christians now. We live it. Forgive me if you find me not commenting much. But yes, its all out there, both good and bad. A tool is just a tool, an ability just an ability. What is done with it, and who controls it, is the big issue. I do not agree with the church''s condemnation of trans and nonbinary. However I align with them strongly on new age and spiritism. I have seen too many things. It is odd that so many of us are in the occult or psychic stuff. I don't know why. I have serious enemies in the spirit world. I don't want to wake them up. Welcome here and God bless you. My journey is a long story. In the end I met the Lord face to face and it changed everything. If it wasn't for Him, I would be a statistic. These posts have really got me taking a fresh look at where I stand. Very healthy, less fear now. I think I might finally be willing to talk about what I know. We hide peices of ourselves to protect ourselves. Most of us were brought up in hostile conditions, mainly due to gender and often due to abuse for other reasons. That colors our present, distorts our vision. We give peices of ourselves away to others and then are aftraid to take those God given peices back. The journey of the forum is to become free without compromising our core values, to become whole, to heal in ways that are impossible without talking to people that understand how it feels. We can have the matter of the head, but the head isn't our gender, the heart and body is, gender I think is much more organic and fundamental, and the head, and head trips, get in the way. The matrix, the social constructs, social taboos, religion rules or for me pharaseeism and the rebirth of the sanhedrin in governmental oppression, these things interfere with us understanding who we are and how we were fashioned, fashioned as children of God for the Glory of Him. He told us to look at the fruit, by their fruit you will know them. I want to produce good fruit and not live a lie. Its time for me to take a fresh look at myself and who I am and what my gifts are, as well as to understand the world around me which is both hostile, affirming, and clouded by smoke and lies and controls. Freeing up my own life to be in communion and control by the Holy Spirit, without fighting myself through the conditioning of those who would damn me for being DES birthed. Clarity and truth are paramount. The Core witnesses to us who we are, we know deep inside, but we deny, out of fear or conditioning, we are aftraid to feel, we block the energy that flows, tensing up. I constantly need to remember to breath, to relax, to feel the feelings. The forum I think is a awake again, I know I am. Folk may not like what I say but I speak from my own experience and all of it is real, its not something I read in a book. Its life experience. Shields up and phasers loaded, wake up Neo, it starts with acceptance without fear, and in the end, its what we do with who we are that matters and leaves a legacy. I pray I lead nobody down the wrong path, utimately it is between each of us and our God, but I will always stand for truth, for all that I know convinces me that lies are from the enemy, the father of lies. If lies are from the enemy, how can I live a lie, for living a lie would be to empower that enemy, and that would be antichrist. The biggest enemy is self deception and I fear that more than anything. Got me talking. I hope there could be something to glean from this. I am tired of fighting my body and my gender. Its time to see with open eyes again.
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Post by kalima on Jun 24, 2020 4:49:20 GMT 8
Thank you, Trinity. I have adopted three core values for the last 25 years or so: 1) Truth -- what is really true, whether scientifically, spiritually or in any given life situation? 2) Love -- both seeking love and striving to act in a loving manner in my life. 3) Adventure -- because if I am not exploring and living creatively, I am not really being present.
Congratulations on finding a spiritual alignment that really works for you! I like the fact that Pentacostalism acknowledges the existence of spiritual energy that can be used to uplift and heal. I have actually become much more scientific and evidence-based since leaving the spiritual group 21 years ago (even got a doctorate, truth be told), which is why I use terms like "non-ordinary awareness". I know that my experience of "energy" is not typical, but I no longer attach other labels or stories to it. I meditate for 45 minutes every morning. My closest spiritual alignment at this point is probably Buddhist, but I don't label myself "Buddhist". I feel aligned with the message and spirit of Christ, but don't call myself Christian, either (although I am a minister's progeny).
Because of this forum, I am thinking of myself more as "non-binary" than any other label (before that I was mostly using "bigender"). I like how flexible it is, since my experience of my gender is doing a lot of fluctuating these days. I am exploring the notion of embracing my experience and holding the tension of feeling both male and female, or fluctuating between them. But this is showing me why so many engage in hormone therapy to resolve this tension. It is a pretty tough tension to hold. Trying to do it with talk therapy, at this point.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 24, 2020 7:24:27 GMT 8
Thank you, Trinity. I have adopted three core values for the last 25 years or so: 1) Truth -- what is really true, whether scientifically, spiritually or in any given life situation? 2) Love -- both seeking love and striving to act in a loving manner in my life. 3) Adventure -- because if I am not exploring and living creatively, I am not really being present. Congratulations on finding a spiritual alignment that really works for you! I like the fact that Pentacostalism acknowledges the existence of spiritual energy that can be used to uplift and heal. I have actually become much more scientific and evidence-based since leaving the spiritual group 21 years ago (even got a doctorate, truth be told), which is why I use terms like "non-ordinary awareness". I know that my experience of "energy" is not typical, but I no longer attach other labels or stories to it. I meditate for 45 minutes every morning. My closest spiritual alignment at this point is probably Buddhist, but I don't label myself "Buddhist". I feel aligned with the message and spirit of Christ, but don't call myself Christian, either (although I am a minister's progeny). Because of this forum, I am thinking of myself more as "non-binary" than any other label (before that I was mostly using "bigender"). I like how flexible it is, since my experience of my gender is doing a lot of fluctuating these days. I am exploring the notion of embracing my experience and holding the tension of feeling both male and female, or fluctuating between them. But this is showing me why so many engage in hormone therapy to resolve this tension. It is a pretty tough tension to hold. Trying to do it with talk therapy, at this point. That soothes me a bit. Gender can be a dance, we go back and forth on it, fluidity, gendersplit as I call it when a component fights with itself and things get out of whack. I like to think of it as a symphony. It all plays at the same time, with melody and beauty. If it gets out of balance, it doesn't sound very well. The whole gender is the music, the orchestra, playing as one, but each peice and contribution can be heard, yet it is one orchestra. It took years for me to blend and be one, in my gender. Once it integrated it didn't ever really split apart again, but the music can go off. Really good music is stream of consciousness, it births from inside, its spontaneous, organic. Wouldn't that be a great gender to have? A symphony? Nonbinary has no limits, it is fluid by definition, it simply says, not binary, not all one or the other. Other labels, even my androgyne label (Noun, thats the body I have, biblically) are limiting, they have preconceived concepts, they imply classifications. We don't have to classify anything, just as you don't classify music, you sit back and enjoy it, and get the best headphones or speakers you can find to hear every nuance and change, beauty from heaven, just wonder. That is gender. Glad you are hear. I am remembering things I forgot for years. Yes the Pentacostal experience is really amazing. Its experiential. it has fundamental truths. It has manifestations of God. And it also has its share of error at times in the way people interpret the experience or use the word and the truths, people are people, just trying to find their way home.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 24, 2020 9:02:15 GMT 8
Yep, NB is simply not binary, nothing to read into it, it isn't a thing that needs definition as a thing, it is simply the realization that you are not binary as dictated by the matrix. What is considered binary depends on the person as well, ask someone if they truly believe they are 100% male or female and they will likely say they are, but ask them to define what each of the binaries are and you will get overlapping versions. But you can be binary and yet not have to consider yourself this have to be one or the other, just like NB isn't a one thing, its just not binary. I have yet to see anyone who isn't some of this or that, but its to the degree, and if the degree doesn't work for someone as being able to say they are strictly binary, then NB is the alternative. NB doesn't have a message or look, there isn't a place to sign up and declare, the most is if you simply don't want to have the binary designation of official papers like a DL, it isn't a movement and doesn't need to be rescued from humanity, it is simply not binary. Here you can be fully transitioned or have no desire to use hormones at all, it isn't a club or need to be, it is simply the realization that the strict definitions of binary are not who you are. There are far more people who would be out enough to say they are NB if the society construct that declares you must be a this or that would just get away from that idea, gender is who you think you are and it can change and evolve, it isn't a stale designation like sex. And even then, sex isn't an either or thing either, plenty of people if they knew their actual chromosome arrangement would be surprised to know they might not even be the sex recorded on their birth certificate, whatever they see between your legs or can make in the way they want is what is recorded. But there are most certainly those who think of themselves as a this or that but their chromosomes can be the opposite, it happens and isn't a one in a million thing, they never ever check to see who you are under the hood, just use whatever handy dandy label they want to use. But gender is who you feel like, regardless, a separate thing from apparent sex, and there is nothing apparent about gender, society matrix construct isn't just wrong, it is dangerous and causes all sorts of hardships on people, just let people be and give them the space they need to figure it out for themselves, society doesn't need to interfere with who you are and how you feel, at least not by the rules it uses, people are going to be who they want to be and will flourish if allowed to be themselves. Basically the forum here is the place where you can come to talk about it and maybe find the answers to questions you have, but more importantly, it is that space where you can be. Without knowing every last little thing about someone, what might seem like a simple question is not, there are always questions that just don't have a ready made answer for each person, but a direction can be and usually is given as the answer, everyone finds the things they need so long as they look. And that is the point of conversations here, as opposed to discussion on the merits of this and that and what is NB, it is just not binary and goes from there. The longer a person looks, the more they will find in themselves and if direction is needed, maybe someone can point a best direction, at least a direction of some sort, because to have no direction at all is just lost, this isn't a destination so much as a compass.
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