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Post by EchelonHunt on Feb 23, 2016 23:04:25 GMT 8
An agender Youtuber brought up an interesting point recently. She identifies as a male-presenting agender person (pronouns: she/her) and she said she likes the idea of male-presenting because in a binary society, you're going to be seen as either a boy or a girl, so you may as well choose what you wish to present as and feel most comfortable being perceived as, even if you don't specifically identify as such.
I know another agender individual who presents as female and is transitioning, got top surgery and planning to get phalloplasty in the future (without hormones). They are comfortable with the idea of being a person who has a penis and wears skirts. I can relate to that.
What are your thoughts? Do you have a binary presentation, do you switch between female or male presenting? How does it feel?
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Post by Taka on Feb 24, 2016 2:39:24 GMT 8
i look female no matter what. it doesn't bother me though, as what bothers me has to do with incongruity between body and brain more than what i'm socially perceived as. only exception is online societies, where i'd rather be mute and male than hyperactive on skype and undoubtedly "female". though there are a few exceptions who know me and just take me for who i am. and i suppose my gw2 guild will have to count as an exception since guild activities are more important than being gendered correctly.
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Post by Shan on Feb 24, 2016 2:50:46 GMT 8
i look female no matter what. it doesn't bother me though, as what bothers me has to do with incongruity between body and brain more than what i'm socially perceived as. only exception is online societies, where i'd rather be mute and male than hyperactive on skype and undoubtedly "female". though there are a few exceptions who know me and just take me for who i am. and i suppose my gw2 guild will have to count as an exception since guild activities are more important than being gendered correctly. "what bothers me has to do with incongruity between body and brain more than what i'm socially perceived as."So right again Taka, you are one of the wisest and most intuitive people here hitting on the crux of the problem we all have.
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Post by Trinity on Feb 24, 2016 7:47:07 GMT 8
An agender Youtuber brought up an interesting point recently. She identifies as a male-presenting agender person (pronouns: she/her) and she said she likes the idea of male-presenting because in a binary society, you're going to be seen as either a boy or a girl, so you may as well choose what you wish to present as and feel most comfortable being perceived as, even if you don't specifically identify as such.
I know another agender individual who presents as female and is transitioning, got top surgery and planning to get phalloplasty in the future (without hormones). They are comfortable with the idea of being a person who has a penis and wears skirts. I can relate to that.
What are your thoughts? Do you have a binary presentation, do you switch between female or male presenting? How does it feel? Normal. Comfortable. Relaxed. Free. Happy. Real. Yet constant at core. Short version. Trinity
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Post by Trinity on Feb 24, 2016 11:38:23 GMT 8
Long version now. It is easier to present within the binaries, yes. But is it natural to you... Its a bit harder to challenge the social norms by presenting in between or hard genderqueer. I find it odd the way my personality shifts depending on my presentation, socially. It does not shift much when I am alone. Personally as we all know I am female transitioned and I don't wear mens underthings. Except nylon tee shirts, because if I am really stealth male presenting and going to be hugged a lot, I wont go bare under a shirt, cant wear a bra cause they will feel it, and I wont go cotton cause its a guy thing and I don't like it. So what is that anyway... But I am quite comfortable in any social gender role, as long as I am in a safe and inclusive nonthreatening environment. I don't like being on the subways in hyperandrogynous mode where I can be read as a guy that wears makeup. I feel like I am setting myself up for being assaulted. While most dont care and may be reading old lady, some do read. I find it always interesting that the very last seat that is ever taken on the trains is the one next to me. Rarely do they sit next to me. In full out guy mode, well, I am conscious that I am not a guy. But I am so used to being me and being stealth or semistealth that i dont care about it. In full out girl mode, i am conscious that I am not a girl. But I know I pass fairly well or they don't care so I just be me. My body language changes, my voice naturally goes higher and more whispery, my perception of self becomes feminine. As a guy, the voice is relaxed, and I just deal head on with stuff. In personality anything can pop out of me at any time. Dear ones, darlings, love tones, warror deep tones. At any moment. Guy or girl. Andro I just talk. Relax. Stay centered. But the awareness thing. I am more aware than ever of the feminine nature of my sex and sexuality. I am more aware of the way my emotions work and the increased feminine type depth and reaction. Even the protective nature feels more mama bear than papa bear. But the action figure, he is really quite male. And he is probably more active during the day. Relationally, with the wife, its an aggressive woman type I think. Dominant female. Playful, cause I want her to be dominant late into the night. In sleep, especially. In all of it is that consciousness of the gender core. Fluidity is weird, because when you are in it, its immersive. Whatever presentation is there, its a complete outward transition to that binary. Just, an awareness thing of the inward transitional stuff. Its really hard to explain this. But floating between the gender binaries, including in between them, feel....natural, comfortable, relaxed, free, happy, real, and constant at core or in the physical nature of me. Does this make any sense at all to anyone else? And do you see the enormous freedom it gives to someone who seems to be no different from the transsexual girls she meets? Because I am very much the same as them, face to face, it throws me. Not so much the girly girls, and definitely not the ones that are glitz, rue paul type presentations, gosh i don't do well with that I react really negatively to it, but for the transsexuals that have been out a long time, well, some of them seem to have dropped some of the attempting to pass stuff, and quite frankly read just as nonbinary as I do with one exception. And that is that their transitions don't have this fluidity built into it, they can't stand it. The are always living as the target gender socially. I like the freestyle of living any way I want to. Present any way I want to based on the social condition I am in. Like male at tonights funeral viewing. Fully ringed, and they commented on it. The kids love my rings, the extended family kids. Including my rainbow ring. I have 7 rings on tonight, one is a nongendered wedding ring, one a male design, the rest very female. And a four day beard. The mirror is not my friend tonight dressed female. Just too tired to shave. Blessings my dear ones. I thought the thread deserved a more thoughtful answer of how this works personally. Its still hard to explain it. Love from Trinity. Back on center, thank you for that, back to who I am, what I am about.
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Post by Leena on Feb 24, 2016 14:46:30 GMT 8
I'm finding as I push myself more and more, even wearing exclusively women's clothes and light makeup, I still get read as a guy, and most people don't even seem to notice I'm wearing women's clothes. I suppose I could cross the big boundary and go out in a skirt or a dress, but I think I'd just be read as a guy in a dress, though more people might notice.
I don't think I really look all that good in a dress, at least the one's I've tried, though I do like the way I look in women's jeans and some women's tops, though a lot of them make me look fat, and light makeup. It really isn't overall that much different though than when I'm in men's skinny jeans and athletic cut shirts. I don't necessarily care that I don't pass, really for me, going down that road would be an expensive and likely disappointing journey. I'd rather just be myself, and part of that is that I am MAAB, and I don't think I'd like trying to hide that any more than I liked trying to hide that I'm mentally a girl, and I don't think I'd be any more successful at it.
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Post by kdkorz10211 on Feb 24, 2016 15:28:53 GMT 8
I'd just like to say that while my body does bother me, I am VASTLY more pained by social perceptions of me, so that is not everybody's core.
That aside, I currently present binary female. This is due to a combination of not wanting to change my presentation in ways I don't truly desire in an attempt to be read correctly (or really be read as unplacible) and the fact that the parts of my presentation that I want to change rely on bodily changes. I disagree that you necessarily have to choose either binary presentation; there's always the option of "what the fuck is this?" It's a dangerous option that opens you up to a lot of risk, but it's there and it's where I'm (slowly...) heading.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 16:11:25 GMT 8
I am bigender. Almost all my presentation is binary... But I am exploring the male andro look. Liking it a bit... And wearing nail polish on my toes realy pushes the buttons...
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Post by Trinity on Feb 24, 2016 18:25:50 GMT 8
I'd just like to say that while my body does bother me, I am VASTLY more pained by social perceptions of me, so that is not everybody's core. That aside, I currently present binary female. This is due to a combination of not wanting to change my presentation in ways I don't truly desire in an attempt to be read correctly (or really be read as unplacible) and the fact that the parts of my presentation that I want to change rely on bodily changes. I disagree that you necessarily have to choose either binary presentation; there's always the option of "what the fuck is this?" It's a dangerous option that opens you up to a lot of risk, but it's there and it's where I'm (slowly...) heading. I lived in the genderqueer mix mode about a year. Makeup, beard, boobs. Hair. It was way better than being male mode at the time. It took a lot of strength but its also worth it. My dysphoria doesnt handle the beard when femme. At the same time there are genderqueer looks i have that i think are really cool and they are bearded. Totally agree. I do midspectrum a lot irl. I am least happy with male, but got used to seeing it. It became less of an issue when i realized i am not male anymore. **used penis for sale or swap, all offers considered. Leftover from major renovation work now completed, obsolete part, like new, well maintained...will trade for an unwanted vagina in good condition...** By the way nobody has ever taken me on gq. They respect the strenght and sense the "i know how to take care of myself" attitude. Its fear they prey on. Not a strong warrior that will kick their butts. Most folk think its cool.
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Post by Trinity on Feb 24, 2016 18:47:14 GMT 8
I'm finding as I push myself more and more, even wearing exclusively women's clothes and light makeup, I still get read as a guy, and most people don't even seem to notice I'm wearing women's clothes. I suppose I could cross the big boundary and go out in a skirt or a dress, but I think I'd just be read as a guy in a dress, though more people might notice. I don't think I really look all that good in a dress, at least the one's I've tried, though I do like the way I look in women's jeans and some women's tops, though a lot of them make me look fat, and light makeup. It really isn't overall that much different though than when I'm in men's skinny jeans and athletic cut shirts. I don't necessarily care that I don't pass, really for me, going down that road would be an expensive and likely disappointing journey. I'd rather just be myself, and part of that is that I am MAAB, and I don't think I'd like trying to hide that any more than I liked trying to hide that I'm mentally a girl, and I don't think I'd be any more successful at it. I know a lot of girls irl that aceepted themselves, dont pass, and live trans happily. It takes some strength, acceptance, guts. Attitude is everything.
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Post by Shan on Feb 24, 2016 23:46:48 GMT 8
I'm finding as I push myself more and more, even wearing exclusively women's clothes and light makeup, I still get read as a guy, and most people don't even seem to notice I'm wearing women's clothes. I suppose I could cross the big boundary and go out in a skirt or a dress, but I think I'd just be read as a guy in a dress, though more people might notice. I don't think I really look all that good in a dress, at least the one's I've tried, though I do like the way I look in women's jeans and some women's tops, though a lot of them make me look fat, and light makeup. It really isn't overall that much different though than when I'm in men's skinny jeans and athletic cut shirts. I don't necessarily care that I don't pass, really for me, going down that road would be an expensive and likely disappointing journey. I'd rather just be myself, and part of that is that I am MAAB, and I don't think I'd like trying to hide that any more than I liked trying to hide that I'm mentally a girl, and I don't think I'd be any more successful at it. You've pushed the boundaries and reality is setting in just as it did for me. It's an interesting and sometimes very frustrating process and when we come to a place where we realize exactly where we fit in the spectrum, then it will be followed by a sense of a new centeredness and ease in how we and others see ourselves, and how we suddenly no longer exude signals to the world around us that there is something wrong with us and we don't fit the social landscape. Good going Veronica Lynn!
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Post by Mingma on Feb 25, 2016 0:45:07 GMT 8
I am bigender. Almost all my presentation is binary... But I am exploring the male andro look. Liking it a bit... And wearing nail polish on my toes realy pushes the buttons... I very much relate to this when I think about it. I present as binary female or andro female pretty much all of the time. I don't pass very well as a guy unless I'm wearing very baggy clothes. Even then I'm read as butch rather than male. I am fine with this, but it is inomplete. I wish that all the categories could be chucked into the waste bin. Maybe one day. Ming
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Post by Trinity on Feb 25, 2016 1:51:51 GMT 8
Image of categories of butterflies.
They are pretty butterflies. Not names. Not for boxes.
But if you pin me to the wall you better make me fly...
Ummmm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 3:04:42 GMT 8
I am bigender. Almost all my presentation is binary... But I am exploring the male andro look. Liking it a bit... And wearing nail polish on my toes realy pushes the buttons... I very much relate to this when I think about it. I present as binary female or andro female pretty much all of the time. I don't pass very well as a guy unless I'm wearing very baggy clothes. Even then I'm read as butch rather than male. I am fine with this, but it is inomplete. I wish that all the categories could be chucked into the waste bin. Maybe one day. Ming Maybe one day!!!
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Post by Taka on Feb 25, 2016 4:42:08 GMT 8
one fine day, all will have both male and female privilege, in cases where one gender is treated better than the other. and suddenly, the whole gender divide will be something limited to purposes of procreation.
because sex is something we use to reproduce, except in cases where it's abused, but we wouldn't want those in a vision of the future.
and gender is something internal, which really shouldn't be allowed to divide people, but rather invite to inclusive diversity and equal rights.
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