Binary Presentations for Non-Binary folks

[EchelonHunt]

I present as binary male in everyday situations like school classes, at home, on legal forms (most of them, not all, will change this year), appointments, transition-related endeavours like consultations, appointments and surgery.

I present as binary female at LGBT clubs and in private company of close friends or partners.

I would like to present as binary/andro female more in the future. I kind of wish I didn't pick such a masculine name (Jason) but I could always introduce myself as Jacey. I would need to work on my voice for that even if it is on the soft-spoken, feminine side. Being seen as female and having a body of a boy underneath my clothing, brings about so much euphoria in my head and body.

It's like having the best of both worlds, so to speak.

The male YouTubers I look up to, they are guys who are secure in their masculinity that they don't care if the things they say, do, act comes off as feminine and/or flamboyant in other people's eyes. Being genuinely, unapologetically themselves and giving zero fucks what anyone thinks of them.

[koiandras]

Feb 23, 2016 23:04:25 GMT 8 EchelonHunt said:

An agender Youtuber brought up an interesting point recently. She identifies as a male-presenting agender person (pronouns: she/her) and she said she likes the idea of male-presenting because in a binary society, you're going to be seen as either a boy or a girl, so you may as well choose what you wish to present as and feel most comfortable being perceived as, even if you don't specifically identify as such.

I know another agender individual who presents as female and is transitioning, got top surgery and planning to get phalloplasty in the future (without hormones). They are comfortable with the idea of being a person who has a penis and wears skirts. I can relate to that.

What are your thoughts? Do you have a binary presentation, do you switch between female or male presenting? How does it feel?

I can relate to this. I default to my AGAB with respect to names, titles and pronouns. I have no problem with being perceived as female in everyday interactions, because it's familiar and comfortable. What does bother me is being assumed to be female when it comes to membership of a group. The main reason I started questioning my gender identity was because I was automatically added to an all-female staff support group on Teams at the start of the pandemic. It annoyed me that it was assumed I was female, even though at the time, I felt like I was... kind of. I decided to explore the "kind of" feeling and dig deeper into what the issue was. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that I was ambigender.

My masculinity was presented organically even without me being aware of how it contributed to my gender identity. I am tomboyish and I emulate certain typically masculine behaviours and mannerisms, as well as having tastes that are more masculine-aligned. People would probably just think of me as a gender non-conforming woman or a tomboy and leave it at that. Since that perception isn't completely off the mark and I don't feel any desire to get into an in-depth discussion with people about it, I just let that slight misperception slide. I'm happy to discuss these things with people who have explored their gender identity but that's the same as how I would discuss my sexuality with other LGBT people or my spiritual beliefs with other people who are spiritually-minded.

I would like to broaden my presentation to both more masculine and more feminine, but I don't switch between them based on flux or fluidity, only on my mood or on what kind of event it is or who I'm with.

[Trinity]

Dec 20, 2021 18:26:06 GMT 8 koiandras said:

Feb 23, 2016 23:04:25 GMT 8 EchelonHunt said:

I would like to broaden my presentation to both more masculine and more feminine, but I don't switch between them based on flux or fluidity, only on my mood or on what kind of event it is or who I'm with.

This, for me...present how you feel and enjoy it, self expression is an art form from the inside, creativity, wonder.

[Ativan Prescribed]

If you understand gender as a social construct, then you begin to understand how the aspects of it work.
Some are assigned masculine and others feminine, but there are no real rules that are hard and fast with this, its major assumptions by people who base their existence on gender aspects.
There isn't such a thing as a spectrum that runs from feminine to masculine and that various aspects or lumped over here or over there.
There is a tendency for most people to assume that normal human traits are aspects that are of the either or sort of thing, and it's because we are always taught by the world around us that this is for reasons that in the end can't be actually explained.
It's like football as a forintance, because most professional players are very masculine and probably male, its considered a masculine thing if you want to play football, but reality is, its a fricken game where you chase a ball around in a field.
Or take cooking, if your sex is female and you cook, its considered something that females do, but if a male cooks, then its something of a chef sort of thing, reality is its heating up foods with things in certain ways and putting it on a table to eat.
Eating is a universal thing, but food preparation is a gender thing? I think about everything this way and just because it has become a social norm means jack shit, anyone can and everyone does do things that are aspects commonly seen as some sort of gendered thing, they are not.
Here's something interesting, ancient writings about even older times includes a lot of god or godlike beings, taller than modern humans, but they were all considered androgynous, all of them, lots and lots of boobs with beards is a standard depiction.
It was around 20,000 years ago that they started to mess with people, generally considered inferior beings, and they developed them into two different sex's, while the superior beings had the ability to reproduce without having sex.
This goes way into mythology and no proof of even people from 20,000 years ago exists let alone god like beings, but the entirety of mythological tales from the past are filled with just this kind of stuff.
People with separate sex's were developed and cultivated for whatever reasons, we were developed, not a natural progression from whatever there was to progress from.
There are even references to this in a lot of places in the bible and even more in texts and books made from scrolls and stories that are dated as farther back than the bible, but like the great flood, there is very little real evidence of anything from that far back that is directly related to people.
I mean was there really a great flood? Just one? Nobody knows because while there are indeed strange things, there is not enough to decisively say it was this this and this.
But here's the thing, if we are from a progression of things, those very earliest living things didn't have sex's, they simply reproduced and so many things still do, a single plant is a good example of this and many plants are out there that are not a sex but reproduce and thrive to this day, single cell organisms still exist and do this with ease, somewhere along the line people developed this ability to have a sex and sure enough, social constructs about it came along and different people got assigned different aspects, when all aspects are simply a human thing.