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Post by Charr on Dec 1, 2014 4:17:44 GMT 8
Whats about Aliagender or aporagender?
------ Androgyne/ anbigender here
------- I prefer Male lesbian and female gay than guydyke and girlfag
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Post by Ayla on Dec 4, 2014 5:13:44 GMT 8
Sometimes I think that GC - Gender Clumsy is an appropriate identity for me, at least inso far as presentation goes.
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Post by Sarah on Dec 4, 2014 20:24:14 GMT 8
Hey, could we have a disclaimer at the top that terms are optional and based on personal preference/identity. Like I know I can fit the definition for "transfeminine" but being called that makes me super unhappy.
Also: "Neutrois - An identity used by individuals who feel they fall outside the gender binary. Many feel Neutrois is a gender, like a third gender while others feel agendered." Really? I've always talked to people who feel like neutrois is the physical version of agender: people who have a non-gendered body map.
And: "Agender - a term used to describe a person without gender. This person can be any physical sex, but their body does not necessarily correspond with their lack of gender identity." This seems strange/typoed to me. Can't it just be reduced to something like: "Agender - a term that can be used to describe a person without a gender identity." Agender folks come in all flavours regarding their feelings about their physical form, I don't see the need to over-clarify here unless that's going to be done for every single other term.
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Post by Charr on Dec 5, 2014 22:41:23 GMT 8
I think Neutrois is genderneutral , there is an intermediate gender but is not femenine or masculine, and agender is totally genderless.
(the same with androgyne and bigender)
Most of neutroises i met identified eirself as having a gender which is not female nor male. Agendered but not agender
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Post by EchelonHunt on Dec 6, 2014 13:49:40 GMT 8
I will add a disclaimer on all the terminology posts.
There is also no one definition of Neutrois - (from Neutrois.com)
For example, I identify as Neutrois because it covers both aspects of my fluid identity that switches between genderless and gender-neutral... Neutrois also covers the gender dysphoria I experience where I wish to achieve a gender neutral body. I am aware that not all neutrois folks experience dysphoria
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Post by Sarah on Dec 6, 2014 16:34:59 GMT 8
Cool, I didn't know it was that broad!
Makes me feel even weirder about falling under the agender category though. There is such a big difference between no gender and neutral gender, at least in my head. I'm definitely sticking with person for my gender.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Dec 6, 2014 17:28:12 GMT 8
Why do you feel weird about falling under agender?
There is a difference between the two and understandably, the line between the two can blur but that's only depending on who you talk to really. Labels are more or less subjective and everyone has their own interpretation of it. It all just depends on how you see yourself and which label you feel is a good description for your identity. It doesn't have to be something that restricts you. I cycle through labels repeatedly because I can never find the right one as my feelings constantly change on a daily basis.
Person sounds awesome though
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Post by Sarah on Dec 6, 2014 18:03:09 GMT 8
Why do you feel weird about falling under agender?
There is a difference between the two and understandably, the line between the two can blur but that's only depending on who you talk to really. Labels are more or less subjective and everyone has their own interpretation of it. It all just depends on how you see yourself and which label you feel is a good description for your identity. It doesn't have to be something that restricts you. I cycle through labels repeatedly because I can never find the right one as my feelings constantly change on a daily basis.
Person sounds awesome though I have no internal sense of gender. I don't know what that would feel like. I don't feel like anything. I didn't even really get that people can have an internal sense of gender until I heard enough people describe themselves in ways that didn't make sense to me, and kind of extrapolated from there that I was different. Like people talk about gender as a spectrum, but I'm not on that spectrum at all. To me, any kind of gender is sort of... in the same category in my head of "gender"? I'm not sure how to explain it. Like the top level distinction is "gender" or "no gender." And then within "gender" are all these awesome and varied identities. But then to take one specific gender (gender neutral) out of the "gender" category and put it together with "no gender" seems completely weird to me. Especially when I already deal with people assuming that by "I don't do gender" I mean "I'm in the middle of the gender spectrum." But I already felt kind of weird labeling myself with a null value. It's like calling myself "not a sailor." Like... okay? But then what am I? So I think it just reinforces that I don't really want any of the gender labels and that person is best for me.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Dec 6, 2014 18:17:59 GMT 8
That is understandable. I have moments where I like to say my gender identity becomes elusive, it simply vanishes. It is quite scary when that happens because I like that sense of knowing myself... at the same time, that emptiness also feels like a little hint of freedom. The kind of freedom where I wouldn't have to worry about what label I fit or struggle over the terminology of where my gender identity lies because it lies nowhere.
People who assume you are in the middle of the gender spectrum because you do not identify with gender at all, that is just plain silly. I do think it's a little odd that genderless/agender has been coined with gender neutral since it is outside of the gender spectrum entirely so I can see why that would cause issues. All you have to do is correct the folks who make the incorrect assumption, it's all part of educating folks so they become more aware.
Believe me I have the same problem with my psychiatrist. He thinks I am neutral or in the middle of female or male - he is partially correct. I couldn't explain that I'm not in the middle of any spectrum, I'm outside it completely because there are moments where identifying as neutral gender doesn't quite click when the genderless/nothingness void takes over. When I wondered whether I identified as male or female, I felt nothing, a connection to neither. I didn't think to ask myself if Androgyne fit, I did try the past few weeks but that label didn't fit either because I came to realize that my androgynous/genderfluid presentation doesn't equal me feeling androgyne in terms of gender identity.
Sometimes I just feel like going with X for my gender Indeterminate/non-specified because goshdamnit, I am going to drive myself crazy with all this introspection!! I am very happy you have spoken to me and clarified your view on the labels, it has given me food for thought. Thank you
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Post by Whisper on Dec 16, 2014 5:53:46 GMT 8
i've seen one term imposed by those in the binary, use the term "gender non-conformity" for sociology. they don't seem to respect our own identification labels. instead they focus on us not conforming to social expectations. to me, gender non-conformity is much more broad than even non-binary gender. and that non-binary gender is under the umbrella of gender non-conformity. whisper
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Post by Edge on Dec 18, 2014 22:51:45 GMT 8
I see we're keeping the definitions that include gender stereotypes and things that are not gender. I am not comfortable with this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 2:18:04 GMT 8
I see we're keeping the definitions that include gender stereotypes and things that are not gender. I am not comfortable with this. It's fun to look at and maybe interesting for discussion stuff, but I have this inborn resistance to the labels and differentiation. I like this one simple. I am whatever I am right now, and I love being a transsexual with no limits on anything I feel or do. I still have no real diagnosis. I am diagnosed truly as ...real name here... and trinity and Satinjoy both fit like a good bra.
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Post by Kelly on Dec 19, 2014 2:33:13 GMT 8
I'm a Kelly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:49:57 GMT 8
Yup and I'm a Shanster, just me is all. The rest of that stuff is just too much to waste my life's energy to worry about.
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Post by Patty on Dec 19, 2014 12:34:29 GMT 8
I am a 65 year old woman with 63 years of male socialization who never felt male but adapted to it to survive.I guess I am just different, never really masculine but also not fully feminine just somewhere in the middle.I guess the best part is that I pass as female pretty easy and can also pass as male though it is definitely not my preferred choice.I guess I am a BINK blue on the outside (for a little while longer) and a deep pink on the inside. Patty
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