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Post by Annys on Apr 28, 2015 17:29:08 GMT 8
I am hesitant to share this here, due to the disturbing content involved. It is powerful for the themes and issues it addresses, but is likely to upset. That said, I believe it's an important discussion to be had. This is a short documentary (about 15 minutes) about a social experiment in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. It addresses gender stereotypes, mob mentality, as well as urban violence. The editing is terrible, but seems intentionally so. The film is no less powerful for that. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn1xavynj8
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Post by EchelonHunt on Apr 28, 2015 20:04:09 GMT 8
The editing gave me a headache, ow.
The "That person is different, let's taunt them and follow them!" mentality is quite sickening. The grown lady who pushed her down, what reason did she have for such violence?
The two men who tried to put a stop to it and help her, at the very least, they were the only compassionate ones among all the crowd who were shrieking, "Take off the mask!"
It made me visibly uncomfortable to see the woman touching her body in the manner she did, was that really necessary? Was that supposed to be part of the experiment?
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Post by bhhfmm on Apr 28, 2015 20:49:07 GMT 8
Really, its not a surprise to see people in large groups behave that way towards someone who is acting oddly and wearing a mask like that and not saying anything. in groups, people can become the worst they can be, heck, just take a look at the recent riots to see that. The way she moved about and gyrated is almost antagonistic due to the sexual nature and moving towards people at times in response to their catcalls or whatever. I'm not excusing the behavior of the people, but I am very weary of these kind of social experiments based on performance art. It throws a lot of odd variables in there that would not normally be present, so do you really know what actually would happened if she had behaved normally and not worn a weird mask?
And I wonder if they thought about pressing assault charges on the girl that pushed her down? They had her on camera and assault is illegal, even in SC.
And really, Myrtle Beach sucks, never have liked it, too many idiots on the loose especially during spring break and just after school lets out for the year.
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Post by Annys on Apr 28, 2015 21:57:56 GMT 8
The sexual nature of her dancing was indeed, I believe, a deliberate part of the experiment. It draws attention, and the goal definitely seemed to be to get as much attention as quickly as possible. While provocative, her behavior does not change, at all, during the course of the one hour they did this. The crowd, on the other hand, certainly devolves. Some of the people involved, as individuals, started out simply curious if not entirely respectful. As a part of the crowd, they quickly join in the more violent mentality. The reflective mask she wears might be significant, but I am not entirely sure what to make of that part. It's fairly well-known that people will attack others for the characteristics they see they do not like about themselves; I find it telling that those who attack her are almost entirely women. Her only defenders were male. It throws a lot of odd variables in there that would not normally be present, so do you really know what actually would happened if she had behaved normally and not worn a weird mask? That was the entire point, IMO. Not to find out what people do when somebody "fits in", but to demonstrate what happens when they decidedly do not. I agree that the results themselves were not really a surprise... how quickly they happen was. The entire experiment lasted roughly a single hour. What do you think this says about our chances, we who do not behave "normally" from the view of the masses?
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Post by bhhfmm on Apr 28, 2015 22:17:50 GMT 8
I still feel like they took it to an extreme, a good ways outside of someone just not fitting in or being a bit different, then throw in someone following around with a camera and that alone can skew the results as many comments in that were brought about by the fact they knew it was being filmed and something was going on, but no one was telling them what.
And yes, I am well aware that being different can be troublesome in many places around different groups of people, but I still question the way in which this was done.
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Post by Annys on Apr 28, 2015 22:35:06 GMT 8
Oh, I absolutely agree with you there. They definitely took it to an extreme, and quite intentionally. That doesn't really alter my opinion of the film, or its intent. Does any of that justify the response? Did she do anything except be extremely weird?
I'm not sure I follow your point about it being "skewed". I really don't think they were trying to manufacture any particular response, even if they may have been expecting it. How does any behavior, no matter how outlandishly different, merit this kind of reaction? They knew they were on camera, sure. They knew something "was up." And they still behaved like animals. Worse than animals, even. A dog wouldn't do this.
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Post by bhhfmm on Apr 28, 2015 22:43:00 GMT 8
Oh, I absolutely agree with you there. They definitely took it to an extreme, and quite intentionally. That doesn't really alter my opinion of the film, or its intent. Does any of that justify the response? Did she do anything except be extremely weird? I'm not sure I follow your point about it being "skewed". I really don't think they were trying to manufacture any particular response, even if they may have been expecting it. How does any behavior, no matter how outlandishly different, merit this kind of reaction? They knew they were on camera, sure. They knew something "was up." And they still behaved like animals. Worse than animals, even. A dog wouldn't do this. Oh, I agree that the responses weren't justified by someone being different, even to that extreme, but I feel that something more realistic would go a bit further in proving a point.
And I've been watching the stuff on Baltimore, that's a good example of people using whatever they can to disregard civil behavior in favor of animalistic tendencies. Our society seems to be abandoning personal responsibility at an alarming rate. And it seems like the knowledge that it could be or will be on camera can make people behave even worse, something I really don't understand.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 28, 2015 22:54:15 GMT 8
It's one thing to be different, another to bring it too the point of 'in your face'. The crowd mentality kicked in. It was intentional, to draw intention. In R&D, it is at times very hard not to skew an experiment towards the goal you are trying to achieve. In that environment, skewed is a very wrong thing to do and it needs to be taken out of the work being done. In this case, skewed is a part of the experiment itself. It was designed to gain attention and that worked. I don't think it alters what they were trying to achieve, finding out what the response would be. To make it more legitimate, they would need several more tries with different characters to make the results more meaningful. There could be many different scenarios that could be played out, depending on the character used. It's interesting. I'd like to see it done in different ways, but once done like this, it does already skew anymore attempts. It would have to be a different crowd, generally the same demographics. I wonder what the reactions would be in different areas, cities, etc., as well. It's more like the start of a much larger experiment that could be done.
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Post by bhhfmm on Apr 28, 2015 23:51:02 GMT 8
One thing I am wondering is if when they filmed it two years ago, that they had any idea that the artist's gender(she is afab) would be questioned by someone and spread from that. What was their original intention with it, before they started filming? And I wonder if the same thing would happen now since transgender is likely a bit more known now, even in the two years since.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 0:34:43 GMT 8
I still feel like they took it to an extreme, a good ways outside of someone just not fitting in or being a bit different, then throw in someone following around with a camera and that alone can skew the results as many comments in that were brought about by the fact they knew it was being filmed and something was going on, but no one was telling them what.
And yes, I am well aware that being different can be troublesome in many places around different groups of people, but I still question the way in which this was done. Another case in point was a film made in Dearborn, Michigan of an Islamic holiday event where some aggressive Christian prostylizers showed up and antagonized the muslims, then tried to paint it as an anti-Christian attack. I'm a Christian as well as trans and I find that sort of thing repugnant, and an obvious attempt to create a problem in the onlookers mind when there really isn't one. Yeah I know Muslims hate Christians just like some cis folks hate transsexuals, but it makes no sense to exacerbate things like that.
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