The US needs to invade Ukraine as well then.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Thinking about this from the standpoint of russia or Putin really, the bullshit reasons and excuses for invading Ukraine, some stupid thing about nazi and fascists needing to be evicted so the people can live under russian rule or some other over the rainbow thing.
There is the threats of NATO interfering, so instead of NATO, why not the US as a country and not some organization or league of nations, we need to go in there and help evict the nazi and fascists as well.
Notice those Z symbols of everything russian, just another version of a swastika I think, its pretty much like the german nazi using a swastika when invading poland at the start of WWII.
This is for all practical purposes the start of WWIII, and this Z shaped symbol of nazism needs to be dealt with, so not NATO, just us going in there to help out trumps BFF in getting rid of nazi, he can't argue with that, its exactly what he says he is doing as he lies through his teeth.
We can play the game as well, we need to be doing fly overs and not attacking the russians, just flying over the country with our planes looking for nazi, yah know?
We need to send troops as well but more to the point to be handing out care packages to the people being bombed to death by those nazi that are taking over Ukraine, its a serious problem and we'd like to help Vlad with his jerking off dream of saving Ukraine from nazi's.
There is no reason we can't be flying all over the airspace, zigging and zagging at those nazi's who are everywhere according to putin (say putin three time fast and then think of a put-put boat toy, putin-putin-putin...).
Why shouldn't we be helping out with this monster problem of nazi in Ukraine? After all don't we pretty much hate nazi (except for those GOP nazi assholes which isn't a real problem, just annoying as hell like little kids who can't behave).
I think its a pretty good idea and if other countries want to help, like just everyone jump up and send planes to Ukraine and also have huge fricken movements of their military backing russia as well by bringing in tons and tons of supplies for the Ukrainians to help get rid of those pesky nazi...
Its like a win win win win win win, you get the idea, everyone wins, its like an Oprah thing, just jump on the anti nazi bandwagon and send everything we can to Ukraine.....

[Trinity]

One friggin guy, president poo poo, decides to annihilate the whole world.

Its a Bond flick gone very bad, a Hitler reboot, that isn't a man, its satan in a man suit.

We already are pretty hair trigger on the rage stuff, I'm making sure mine doesn't trigger, but I am starting to detach and get ice cold and that's when its not such a good idea to be a threat to my loved ones.

But in reality, I'm deadly serious, PooP Poo is possessed, 100%. That was the first invastion, into him, and then the rest was easy.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Two can play at his game, I say we also invade Ukraine and help get rid of the nazi, starting with those nazi military vehicles with that nazi Z insignia.
And why stop at just Ukraine, keep heading east and help out the russians in getting rid of the nazi leader, I think just flying over with most of our B52's would be an awesome way to ring the doorbell... America calling.
If it cam down to using nukes and put put is threatening, we can overload his military apparatus in no time flat, but he isn't going to risk a scorched earth russia by doing that, I say call his bluff, force him to disarm and hand over his nukes.
We should have done that when the USSR fell apart, instead we gave them a helping hand and got them back on their feet when everything fell apart back then, when put put was still just another KGB can't cut it asshole.

[Trinity]

Stock up on nonperishables, looks like this could get really ugly now.

[Leena]

I'm still at the only way the win this game is not to play it.

We wouldn't be in this mess if Reagan hadn't been encouraging the collapse of the USSR. Putin is getting his revenge, and with his buddy Trump, has made the US so divided it would be better off if it broke up.

I was hoping to enjoy these next few years at least before Trump becomes President again and makes being trans a felony nationwide. Now I'll just die or wish I was dead because I'm pretty sure Putin has a few nukes pointed in my general vicinity he'll launch if Biden does what you suggest.

[Trinity]

[Ativan Prescribed]

Put-put might go suicidal and if he does then using nikes is possible, but still not likely.
There is a better possibility of limited nukes that are small sized and the thinking is that russia has developed some and for sure the US has been deconstructing and rebuilding nukes to be small tactical ones.
Not the mega ton variety but even well under the size used on Japan, it really is easy to make them very small, we has them down to the size of backpacks and back then most of the weight was because they just didn't have the tech expertise to make them lighter.
But its been a push for the US to make quite a few out of the bigger ones, why decimate huge swaths of land when you can tear them apart and make a whole bunch of smaller ones, like easily used by air to ground missiles from fighter planes, have a range that keeps them safe and now have pinpoint accuracy.
Back in the cold war days they didn't have the tech to be able to land a ballistic missile all that well so it was just make huge fricken bombs.
So a lot of nukes will be very limited in size but able to be launched through a window and take out a neighborhood, and because they can do man times over multiple launches, they can still take out an entire city if they want.
But here's the thing right now, an overwhelming lot of russia military isn't being destroyed, a lot of it is, but an even more lot is simply abandoned because it is breaking down from lack of maintenance and they lack fuel because russian soldiers sell it off for cash to by things like vodka and food.
The russian military uses tents and barracks that lack heat and even water is scarce wherever they are, and a lot of the food rations they have are dated as expired from years ago, its rotting in the packages, and their training is for shit, most of them have no idea what they are supposed to be doing.
Their planning is so stupid that they blew up way to many of the cell phone towers that their military phones needed to work, so they are using basically burner phones that are hit and miss that they can even get them to work, they are robbing Ukraine tech stores to get the communications things they need.
But while they have developed a lot of high tech war toys, have they actually made any in enough numbers to be a force to deal with, if they can't supply fuel and their tanks are getting blown up and their helicopters flying meat wagons, do they really have the capacity to use nuke missiles to win anything at all?
We have a lot of subs that are used for tailing their subs and we have the torpedos that are made specifically for taking out their subs, we really don't use subs for taking out ships, those are pretty easy to just shoot missiles at.
Technology has made some damn nice weapons of war, but you have to have them in working order and using them in the ways they were designed is pretty much if used on the offensive a death warrant for you, weapons have evolved to the point that even using mukes is not that feasible or necessary.
Nukes are actually the low tech versions of scorched earth policy and to use them means for sure you are going to be scorched, russia will be waste land and we probably will be as well, so even if put-put uses one the odds that it escalates is not that great.
The world has evolved to the point that it relies on things like the internet for most everything, and it is used by most people on earth so everyone has relatively instant news on what is going on, but more so everyones economy is interlaced because of it, and its a countries economy that makes or breaks it, not a war and russia is failing fast with its economy, the people of russia are pissed as hell to the point that put-put has cut off their internet to the outside world, which further cuts off huge swaths of their economy.
Their industries are centered around a lot of the needs of their country, but their banking systems and therefore the people's ability to purchase the things they need to survive is breaking down really fast, russia stands to be a wasteland of people starving and cold because of how their economy is now failing.
There really isn't a need for going to war with them, they are at war with themselves right now, trouble is Ukraine is caught in the middle because for some reason put-put wants the USSR back, but it failed because they simply couldn't afford the things it took to run a bunch of countries as if it was one.
We built our military up and got the space race going full tilt and the USSR tried to outdo us and spent all their money on the those things instead of a better economy, back then just because of the cold war they had a for shit economy.
And since they have built it back up as best they could, most of their threat isn't from an actual ready to fight military, its a bluff, same old thing they have always done, like their military parades, they run the vehicles around the back and parade them again as if they have a lot, they did this with their planes all the time, they never had a lot of those fancy bombers', they couldn't afford them so they circled them around and around to make it look like they did.
Raygun was a total asshole republican who built our economy to favor the rich and fucked over the people big time, but he did fuck over the russians into thinking we had fancy shit like the star wars program, it was a huge bluff because the amount of tech needed didn't exist and the money it would take was just ridiculous, we had the means to shoot down ballistic missiles and it would have taken ten times the missiles or rockets we had to get star wars up in the sky to use laser that hadn't been invented yet.
I worked with people who had designed on very small scale the ability to detect laser reflections by using an array, it was designed as a manufacturing process and was like twenty feet across, but the military wanted to use a psce based version of it back then, it was the state of the art techno thing at the time, but it was a quick calculation on the back of a lunchroom napkin that should how many rocket launches it would take to just get the array in space, not to mention the upkeep costs, and then a laser could be built, but we would have broke the countries budget for just one and what star wars was about was hundred's off them, it was just ridiculous considering we just had to make a couple thousand more missiles that could intercept ballistic missiles, but russia bought the bluff and tried to catch up and it ruined their economy and the USSR fell apart.
Right now it is falling apart faster and further than it did back then, we get high gas prices out of it and the people buying and selling shares of oil are making a killing, there is no shortage, just like there is no shortage of anything, its how the rich get richer, take anything they can think up as an excuse to raise prices, inflation is nothing more than the rich getting richer off of us.
Its what trickle down economics really does to the people of this country.

[Ativan Prescribed]

But yah, the best thing is to not play the game.

[Trinity]

Zellinsky was amazing, the video he shared was intense and graphic of the horror of the monster in Russia.

Seems like we are doing what we should be doing over there, and need to do more as well.

It is disappointing that some countries, specifically India and China, continue to support Russia. It reveals too much about who they are, that they can do this.

Biden sounded ok too in his response.

I won't touch some of the other concerns I have about things here in the US, still a staunch independent, but its refreshing to see the two parties unite in the face of an unspeakable evil that has been unleashed against the whole world, just because it could.

I think when we see Zelinsky, we see the best of ourselves or who we want to be, and what leadership really is. When we see their people, an entire population trying to arm up to take on a horde of evil to protect their families and children, we see the truth of what this oligarchian antichrist anti humanity culture or party or ideology or just plain selfishness and how it has to be opposed, everywhere.

Great speech. And it just reminds me so much of nazi germany in ww2. A war my father served in, though he was not on the front lines, his job was to make the bombs work right, weapons work as a tech so they would actually do something, but it was basically the end of the war when he got to his destination in Japan.

But Putin? How has he not been struck down by lightning from the sky? I have never seen evil like this, except for the nazi's, they were this bad and worse.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Republicans in this country are really not much better than pukin', they want to control the people pretty much the same as pukin' controls russians.
That they are calling for war with russia over Ukraine to me seems to be just what they need to take over in this country and make it another russia.
SDure get all on board the war train, yet they are all paper tigers and its easy to see in their bluster, they have no plans, just talk abut we need to do something.
Think about Ted Cruz leaving for Cancun in the middle of texans freezing to death, and that fuck kennedy with his hard to even understand drawl like his mouth is full of shit, because what comes out is pure bullshit.
They are jumping on the one and only way to save face for supporting russia and thats to try and grab the spotlight as if they really want to do something, but reality is, they are stuffed full of murca first bullshit just like always, don't let them fool yah, they could care less about the people of Ukraine and are more concerned that their own interests are going down the drain as russia goes down the drain, bunch of fucking posers who will say and do anything to save their ass but reality is they could care less about Ukrainians and they could care less about americans.
I see them all as about the same as a disease like zombies, republican's as well as russians, but the real people of russia are leaving that country, they see it failing and their smartest are on the way out the door, let republicans have their way in this country and the same thing will slowly happen, why give your best only to have republicans take as much away as they can get away with, never in the history of this country has there been as despicable politicians as the republicans have proved themselves to be, traitors and charlatans, grifters and assholes. none of them worth a damn.
If there is one single thing one single thing we don't need is to have republicans as leaders when they can't even come up with a simple game plan beyond fuck over the dems to stay in power, they offer nothing, they have nothing, they are the most worthless fucks this country has ever known.

[Trinity]

I still would love to see an actual coalition of actual independents with an actual plan with a solid block of seats in the senate and in the house.

It would be really interesting, a pipe dream probably, but common sense prevailing would be nice. People working together would be nice.

Here's the thing, right now, politics be danged, there's finally some kind of common agreement and movement that this evil has to be dealt with.

And that's all right with me. The harder he gets hit and the more heavily the lessons get learned that the era of war and conquest is not only not cool but just plain no you can't play with the rest of the world anymore, go play with yourself....

I've just had enough of bullies and folk that leverage advantage just because they can. I hope something good comes out of all this agony for the Ukranians, and seriously, that guy Zellinsky really impresses me as a leader.

[Ativan Prescribed]

It would be nice if republicans weren't just riding the train for votes, and actually really wanted to do something besides flap their lips and not say anything that really everyone already knows.
Self serving b unch of assholes every last one of them, as far as I am concerned, they are no better than pukin' and they are ruining this country at an ever faster rate, if they all dropped dead there would be a sigh of relief heard round the world.
Do you think that other countries look up to republicans and wish they had some of their own? Fuck no, I see no reason why we even have to put up with stupid assholes who are just there to cheat and grift their way through the american dream.
If independents had a plan, even a little one they would have more than the republicans have, the entire reason they don't have party status and a voting block is because they are independents who vote this way and that way at the same time, they need a plan and they need real policies, not wishy washy maybe I'll vote for this and also vote for that, there has never been a middle ground that is filled with voters, you either cheat the people and vote republican or you try to move the country into the future and vote dem, anything else is non productive.
Its kinda like, oh, I don't know if I like republicans or democrats, sure wish there was another choice and someone with a better plan and bette policies, if only there was something, then I could decide if I am on the right or on the left and not stuck in limboland, pass me the remote and do we have another bag of chips?

[Trinity]

Its more like not liking the all or nothing extremism, and definitely not liking the oligarchy buy the vote thing. I get it though, because an independent vote is usually a vote that puts someone else in power and could have been applied better.

We need some kind of reform, but who knows what.

Personally I know where I stand, and that's why I don't feel satisfied, but you can't have everything.

I do think the actions being taken for Ukraine are the right ones, especially after watching your sanctions vid.

This guy poopoo reminds me of the Lord of the Rings and Mordor.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Independents are not so independent, they either vote on the right or vote on the left and just don't belong to a political party, but then most republicans and most democrats don't actually belong to their parties either.
Saying you're independent should mean actually being independent and not use the middle position to stay out of politics, you either want this or you want that and the only policies and bills in front of congress come from one side or the other or like now, they only come from the left, the right is there to say no to everything because thats all that republicans stand for now, just blatant obstruction of the process to move the country forward, if the republicans ever came up with a good idea they would make more sense than just obstructing but as it stands now, they want to undo everything that has happen ed in the last fifty years and declare everywhere Mayberry.
Saying that there should be an independent party is like saying there should be at least something healthy to eat at a fast food place.
In a severely divided country, its the lack of commitment from independents who are making it still easy for republicans to turn this country into another russia.

[Ativan Prescribed]

You can't make this shit up and yet it sounds like looney tunes