X Marker

[danishcouple]

How many people are here woh have the x marker?

We both have the X marker since 17-2-2000

Our child has the X marker from out of hen birth at 1-12-2006

[Trinity]

They don't allow it in my country-state. And the insurance laws are binary.

[Ativan Prescribed]

I can have one but I think of it as a thing that identifies you as 'X', and because most of the law enforcement are ass backwards thinkers, they see any little thing out of the ordinary and its just a shit storm of crap from them.
As far as having one to show for like an ID for various things, same problem as far as I can tell, like having a X on a passport and flying into a country that hates LGBTQ? No thanks.
But X marks the spot, whatever you want that spot to be.
I prefer to stay well under the clouds of bullshit floating around the republican groups of scared little rabbit like creatures who see nefarious dealings in anything different than their backwards thinking and inability to just deal with life.

[Ativan Prescribed]

It's a very sad thing to think that republicans have made even gender a political thing, it always has been for them, but POC always has been, anything other than rah rah patriotic on their terms is killing the country, but its people with sticks up their ass blaming everyone else but themselves who are just ruining an otherwise pretty good country, they have since the day Nixon was elected done nothing for the country, helped the rich become richer and constantly have made life miserable for anyone who doesn't buy their matrix society.

[Trinity]

My drives id says male and my insurance ID says female.

I just flat out tell them I'm trans female and leave it at that. With the cops I've never been pulled over as sh'e, only reading male, and they generally leave me alone and usually spot the concealed carry license that I have, which somehow makes me one of the good guys.

And my wife is usually with me.

It does get kind of odd, but not as much, the medical community in Florida has been very accepting of me.

In New York it wasn't so nice. Far from it.

[Ativan Prescribed]

There wa movement to just do away with gender and sex markers on IDs here a while back, I mean if you can't tell, then you probably don't need to know, in a medical emergency they kinda have to check for maybe some stuff.
Gender is nothing more than social construct and means virtually nothing unless you want it mean something, its a part of the matrix, your sex can be a thing in some cases, but is still your business and doesn't have to be on an ID.
The fact that they require it on an ID is to enforce how you look, what possible difference can it make if you like to look other than what they want because your ID says something on it?
All the reasons and excuses for having it on an ID is strictly to enforce the agenda that you will look like they want you to look, this is heavy matrix bullshit.
One of many ways they use to keep you in line with some bullshit policy that only people like republicans seem to think is necessary but for the life of them they have no idea why, because its such matrix sort of bullshit, you will obey, you will do as you are told, you will sit down and not question the authority that is nameless and mindless because it is the matrix, if you subscribe to the matrix way of living and thinking, you are nothing but another source of heat and work for them to use, you are the cannon fodder of society.
I'm so tired of these right wing assholes screaming about their freedoms while denying others theirs, they have no freedom because everything revolves around bowing down to the matrix authority and they have no idea that it has already taken their freedoms to think independently away.
Know why when people talk about the 'they' who control things? And why nobody knows who this They even is? Its because its the thing in the background that controls them to the point that they have no idea they are being controlled, just a vague sense of it and its the They who do it.
This is how the matrix in the real world works and how the matrix in the movies works, its a hidden agenda to make you worth no more than cattle going to slaughter. And the right likes it because it calls them patriots, doesn't bother to tell them its patriots of the matrix....

[Leena]

I can change it to X here in California, but if I were to change my marker, it would be to an F, and I'd do it at the same time as my name change. I agree X would be putting a target on my back with cops, and other people that see my ID and may be transphobic. I do worry about getting pulled over presenting feminine with an M marker though. I also don't know how well that would go for me when I travel. I don't know that I'd feel safe being that visibly nonbinary/trans in most parts of this country.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Again, there is no legit reason to have a gender or a sex marker on a ID, for what reason?
Do laws apply differently for a different sex or gender?
I can see age because we have laws that are concerned with age for some things, but where is the law different for gender or sex?
We don't have race or nationality on IDs because the laws are for everyone, so why have a marker for gender or sex?
It used to be many many years ago illegal to dress as a different sex, but those laws have been stricken because there is no point to them, they rate a so what.
You have an identity and it has nothing to do with gender or sex or race or nationality in this country, there are no special laws that concern gender or sex that they need to see it on an ID so they know when they see it.
If there is a law that deals with gender or sex, its a simple thing to just ask, there is no proof needed because it isn't a thing, it is a thing about you sure, but in the realm of what IDs are for, its a nothing.
Afraid someone of this sex or gender is going to violate some law or take advantage of a situation, what are those and why are they so important that we need to have sex or gender on an ID?
I think its a big part of the social matrix thing and that some people are going to freak out if someone breaks the matrix, the social construct that says we need to separate people by sex or gender, I think its time we just give it up and be people.

[Trinity]

Airports get weird for me. The body scan finds the boobs and the bottom part and then they want to know whats going on.

I just say im trans and have boobs. Most of the guys get a look on their face and drop it fast.

So yah. They are looking at body parts in the scanner for anomolies.

Id be happier if ids had no gender. I never like looking at mine, always annoyed by the marker. And when they try to change it on my insurance based on the id i have to tell them to change it back to female or itll be rejected.

Rates are lower for women, go figure, the trans death rate is staggering.

[Ativan Prescribed]

So long as you have no weapons or any other of the things they scan for, even asking what is going on is a total invasion of privacy.
This is what I mean about IDs upholding the social construct that makes sex and gender a thing, it really isn't at all, it should be a so what kind of thing and for some yahoo to even wonder about it is telling.
Next time tell them its a nationality thing, french this and german that, or whatever works, make it a race issue or better yet religious, that could be loads of fun.
Especially for those religious people who fully believe that women are to cater to men and are property of men, work on that issue if they ask next time.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Here's the thing, in the way that the social construct works, you could very well have the sex markers that show you are a woman and yet be built with a penis, it happens and happens all the time, not to mention intersex people.
So by which social construct do you go by, the gender is the same as your sex, which is biologically based on markers, the X and Ys of things, or do you go by the apparent gender and if you go by that then there is no way to say your gender is based on your sex, because they can be and for some people a lifetime of never realizing it, two different things, its a sham, its a construct based on over simplifying both sex and gender and gender is a made up out of the construct thing, only people have a gender, nobody apply it in any sort of qualifying way to like animals or insects, they have a sex not a gender, its only people who have a gender and thats the overwhelming proof that it is a social construct.
It was fine to demand and then get the ability to have an X marker on an ID, but sure as the right and bigots go, they learned to be able to use it against you, predictable, nothing deters them from making life miserable for others, its time to make life miserable for them.
They deserve nothing less than to be treated as badly as they treat others who are different from them when they decide they are different and not before, single them out, sexs them the wrong way, gender them the wrong way, let them know that there is nothing they can do to change your mind, they are different and that how you see them, wrong from how they see themselves. Play their game on your level of the field and let them know that it isn't going to change, that your mind's made up because thats the way it is in your reality which is the same reality that everyone sees them, as wrong.

[danishcouple]

it's right it's only a social construct to select people in groups.
Here in Europe we have an new law that after 2025 gender markers are not more publiched on the European Id card and drivers licence, but this papers can only used trough Europe, if you wan to go outside, then we must have an passport with the gender marker on it.

The X marker was from out of the seventie's only for intersexed people here in Europe, but here in Denmark all transsexual people who don't want a full sexchange, will have also the X marker, from out of the early ninety's, the can"t have the F or M marker, Denmark was the first they recognised the third gender officialy for people who aren't born intersex, but also for people who are bigender.

We traveled a lot trough Europe, but never had any problems with our gender marker, most people says ( with out knowing us ) oh you are intersex that's fine good luck ( but infact we are bigender hi )