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Post by kalima on May 31, 2020 12:14:26 GMT 8
Throughout human history, in many cultures throughout the world, there have been non-binary individuals who served as intermediaries between the human world and the spirit world. "The third genders have been ascribed spiritual powers by most indigenous societies." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender) We were ascribed roles such as shamans, temple prostitutes and healers. Do any of you have spiritual/psychic awareness or healing abilities that seem unusual that you think could be connected to being non-binary?
I do. I have always had a very sensitive nervous system and a certain flexibility of consciousness that allows me to change states of awareness quite easily. After doing a lot of meditation and "inner work" in my 20s and 30s, I ended up with an awareness of "energy" (mostly kinesthetic, but also auditory and visual) that seems quite unusual when I try to talk with people about it. Unfortunately, I don't have the language to talk about it very coherently. It isn't some subtle intuitive imagining of energy. I feel it as clearly as my fingers touching this keyboard. It can flow up my spine, out through my hands or my head, or come from above and behind, into me and through me. I can focus that energy, especially when in a meditative state. I do not see this as a "special gift". It is just a sense, like smelling and tasting. I can feel when the energy flow is blocked in me and usually can clear it. There are energies from outside that I perceive. Sometimes negative energies impact my energy field and feel quite unpleasant, like a pressure that pushes down on my brain and gut and makes it difficult to focus, but all the more important to in order to clear the energy and regain my ability to think clearly again. Often, I don't know the source of the negative energies. Focusing on sending healing energy to the Earth and her inhabitants, including people, seems to help clear my energy field.
I hope I am not alone. Your unusual spiritual/psychic awareness might be different than mine, or you may have very different language for describing it. If you feel like you have unusual spiritual awareness or healing abilities, will you add to this thread? What do you experience?
Thank you!
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 1, 2020 10:01:59 GMT 8
Yes. I don't usually comment on it, but its above and beyond the average. Just different more so than anything gender but then virtually everything is related. It is common to a lot of people who are NB although to the degree of that, I don't know. It isn't exclusive to NB by any means, there are lots of people who have more of an awareness than what is commonly called reality, which is just the surface of what is actually real. If you think of reality as the surface of like a balloon and understand that it is nothing more than something we all have in common to be be able to have at least that common thread as people,and understand that there is more outside of it and also inside of it that has no commonality for everyone, then you know that what we experience as people is just that thin layer of what is called reality and that it is nothing more than that, the difficulty is in that we are all taught from birth that reality is all there is and so the language reflects that and so there is little in the way of teaching otherwise, but based on the experiences of lots of people, it doesn't take much to know there is more to it than what we call reality, but the knowledge is by personal experience for each person and I don't think anyone has a complete understanding of the alternate reality we are actually living in, and because each experience is different, its difficult to find a common thread through most of it to the point of being able to sit and talk and teach about it, what is ones persons religious experience can be another's extraterrestrial experience and yet both can be the very same thing, it comes down to perspective. Dial up 417Hz with a computer tone generator, you can do this online very easily, for some that frequency seems to have a profound effect on them, but then the universe is one big huge ball of harmonics from none to infinity, so... but just the frequency of sound we can perceive has a big effect on everyone, and music is just the harmonious conglomeration if frequencies that are appealing at certain ones for people, and plants and animals and just about everything, depending on what you want, find the right frequency and you have a starting point. From quantum to the ends of the universe, it all revolves around set frequencies for things, everything vibrates, everything... if it doesn't, then it doesn't exist in the universe as we know it, sound, light, everything works at specific frequencies which can be variable depending on what it does. The setting sun is filtered through the atmosphere so that the color of the sky shifts towards red, and it is that shift that makes people feel better looking at a sunset, no other reason other than the frequency of light has changed to one that causes us to relax and reflect. Dial back the blue on your computer screen if you want to have a more relaxed experience when using it, they are shifted towards a harsh blue without adjustment, but its that blue that is harsh, take it away and the red can come out that is so much easier on the eyes and mind.
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Post by kalima on Jun 2, 2020 6:35:22 GMT 8
Thanks. Yes, there certainly seems to be a lot to reality that is not commonly acknowledged! Is what you describe (everything as vibration/frequency) your personal experience?
My unusual perception of energy developed before my gender awareness, which happened quite suddenly. I went to a ritual medicine journey weekend. I wasn't questioning my cis-gendered maleness. My experience there was quite unusual -- a very powerful kundalini awakening that lasted for about six hours. Massive energy rising up my spine and ecstatically pouring through every cell of my body. Tremendous lucidity. And the "me" that was having that experience was female inside of a male body and mind. That was 19 months ago, and that led me to exploration, therapy, etc. to finally let that (female inside of a male body/mind) be my day-to-day gender experience. I (my female self) was always here but buried in my unconscious for most of my life. But in researching non-binary I read about these "third gender" people all around the world and throughout history who have served as intermediaries between the human and the non-ordinary dimensions of existence. That has made me wonder if my non-binary nature and non-ordinary awareness are connected. Love to hear other stories.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 2, 2020 9:03:30 GMT 8
That everything has a frequency to it is physics, its the basis of quantum physics as well as the world we see. People think of like space as a vacuum with very little in it, but it is literally filled with electromagnetic energies from the very large to very small frequencies. All living things depend on their resonant frequencies to exist, all matter has resonant frequencies to it, all light from one end of the spectrum to the other is these frequencies and visible light is just a very small part of it. String theory in quantum physics depends on the idea of frequencies and is in effect all that it is, without these inherent frequencies for virtually everything, nothing would exist and that is the definition of nothing, matter and energy are just different forms of the same thing. Music is one of those things we all know and understand as being music (maybe not country, but anyways...) it is in the harmonics that we define pleasant sound and in the discords we find the grating sounds, but it is simply the frequencies of sound as it travels in the air. Certain frequencies seem to effect most people in an approximate way, and it is long been known that certain ones are used in religious settings, it is sound waves that we communicate with, and the very lowest of them are used by animals like whales because of the long distances they travel underwater, high pitched sound doesn't go as far, its relative low energy dissipates to quickly, but when people see animals responding to something just before like an earthquake, its because they are much better tuned into low frequency sound which they can hear and feel when we can't, elephants can sense these low frequencies and use them to communicate over long distances, horses can feel large animals nearby through their hooves, people are pretty limited in what they can detect and its in the low frequencies that some buildings and areas have a profound effect on them, we don't hear them but they effect us and thats what is commonly used in religious practices to set the 'mood' or experience.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 18, 2020 8:43:59 GMT 8
Thanks. Yes, there certainly seems to be a lot to reality that is not commonly acknowledged! Is what you describe (everything as vibration/frequency) your personal experience? My unusual perception of energy developed before my gender awareness, which happened quite suddenly. I went to a ritual medicine journey weekend. I wasn't questioning my cis-gendered maleness. My experience there was quite unusual -- a very powerful kundalini awakening that lasted for about six hours. Massive energy rising up my spine and ecstatically pouring through every cell of my body. Tremendous lucidity. And the "me" that was having that experience was female inside of a male body and mind. That was 19 months ago, and that led me to exploration, therapy, etc. to finally let that (female inside of a male body/mind) be my day-to-day gender experience. I (my female self) was always here but buried in my unconscious for most of my life. But in researching non-binary I read about these "third gender" people all around the world and throughout history who have served as intermediaries between the human and the non-ordinary dimensions of existence. That has made me wonder if my non-binary nature and non-ordinary awareness are connected. Love to hear other stories. There is a lot of people who have the ability to do things like lucid dreams, but it seems like to me that it is a part of the NB experience for many. I have never been able to find and have not seen anything with substance to it about this, but over the years it just seems like its the way it is. The frequencies that some have researched are the same for everyone who can tap into them, and there are numerous structures either natural or man made that can produce certain frequencies. One of the reasons a sunset is so nice to look at is the frequency of light it produces, this is universal in its calming, there are numerous building that are religious in nature than can produce certain frequencies just because of the very way they are built, which in investigating them, the so called experts so no other reason for them to have been built the way they have been, and then there is the magnetic anomalies around the world where people feel better and sometimes worse just by being in them, but they are out there and it is a very real thing.
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Post by Leena on Jun 23, 2020 2:54:02 GMT 8
Thanks. Yes, there certainly seems to be a lot to reality that is not commonly acknowledged! Is what you describe (everything as vibration/frequency) your personal experience? My unusual perception of energy developed before my gender awareness, which happened quite suddenly. I went to a ritual medicine journey weekend. I wasn't questioning my cis-gendered maleness. My experience there was quite unusual -- a very powerful kundalini awakening that lasted for about six hours. Massive energy rising up my spine and ecstatically pouring through every cell of my body. Tremendous lucidity. And the "me" that was having that experience was female inside of a male body and mind. That was 19 months ago, and that led me to exploration, therapy, etc. to finally let that (female inside of a male body/mind) be my day-to-day gender experience. I (my female self) was always here but buried in my unconscious for most of my life. But in researching non-binary I read about these "third gender" people all around the world and throughout history who have served as intermediaries between the human and the non-ordinary dimensions of existence. That has made me wonder if my non-binary nature and non-ordinary awareness are connected. Love to hear other stories. There is a lot of people who have the ability to do things like lucid dreams, but it seems like to me that it is a part of the NB experience for many. I have never been able to find and have not seen anything with substance to it about this, but over the years it just seems like its the way it is. The frequencies that some have researched are the same for everyone who can tap into them, and there are numerous structures either natural or man made that can produce certain frequencies. One of the reasons a sunset is so nice to look at is the frequency of light it produces, this is universal in its calming, there are numerous building that are religious in nature than can produce certain frequencies just because of the very way they are built, which in investigating them, the so called experts so no other reason for them to have been built the way they have been, and then there is the magnetic anomalies around the world where people feel better and sometimes worse just by being in them, but they are out there and it is a very real thing. I have the ability to lucid dream, though it wakes me up most of the time. There are various forums on that, while I haven't joined any, I lurked at a few and most of the posts were by people that I presume to be cis. Gender really isn't something I've seen discussed.
Lucid dreaming is not really spiritual to me. It's more like the holodeck in Star Trek. You can change things and it malfunctions and does weird things. I am usually a trans woman in my dreams now, whether lucid or not, though some dreams I am in my past where everyone knew me as a guy and I am my younger, pre-transition self.
I'm not really a spiritual person, I was raised a Catholic and have a lot of issues with the church. I try to be respectful of others beliefs, but I see no need to replace the Catholic church with something else.
Gender is not spiritual to me either, it's just a big part of who I am. I mainly just see myself as a trans woman. I saw myself as genderfluid most of the time while I was questioning and earlier in my transition, though I'm not sure I do anymore. I can still present as a guy, but I really don't want to, and there might come a time when I stop doing that. It felt much different when I would present feminine and everyone still read me as a guy.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2020 4:51:16 GMT 8
No answer on the connection from me.
There is a gypsy kind of feeling to who I am.
There was a long battle to free the feral and mistreated sh'e. There is a claim by my family that its a possession case, I don't think it is.
There are very wild and scary spritual aspects that can be understood by interference from the outside.
That said, blocking energy or cutting off feelings from the mind to the body is a big part of the fight with ourselves as trans people, and has been a problem for me.
I may be intersex, but not visibly. There is a nerve center that I do not understand, its under the skin, I may have some additional things going on, and its rather powerful in terms of what's there when stimulated. And that by the way answers questions concerning choices, why do I have a clitoral nerve center? Because that is clearly what it is. It's there under the skin but you can't see it.
Could be DES related, there's no data.
But the cutting off of the feelings has been a huge problem for me, learned body behaviours to stop bullying.
There's also in my mind a difference between the ability to see and do certain things, which are associated with the psychic, and the other sides of that coin. As a Christian I have strict rules, but I do have the ablily to astral project, I don't do it anymore, I have visions, I know things but that is through the Holy Spirit and all others are cut off from me, on purpose, and I see auras. I was trained to do that.
But in the theater I learned in voice and movement to relax. I stear clear of kundalini yoga, was warned off it, its nitroglycerin yoga lol, know how to handle it before you blow your mind, I won't go near it. But freeing up the body and the nerves and my nervous energy is very important.
Spirits are way too dangerous for me to deal with. As stated earlier, I won't go near them, I have seen things that would scare the living piss out of you and I won't go near it ever ever ever ever.
For me, truth is essential, lies are from the enemy of our souls and are empowered in this time of trouble, living a lie is wrong, we were created and predestined to do things, and there are principalities and powers and things set in motion right now that we have no influence over but that can take us down.
Prayer is a powerful thing. I talk of hte "Core", the place inside us that knows the truth, that if allowed to be, is where it all is, that center, soul maybe? Its hard to say.
I've said way more than I should here. God bless.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 23, 2020 8:39:51 GMT 8
The ability to recognize our individual 'core' is the fundamental way in which we learn and relax our feelings about being NB, maybe trans as well but I don't naturally associate NB as being trans, transing to what? But the world around us is very much like the matrix, that movie about the construct we all live in, people have a tendency to live by rules that society goes with, and never bother to question whether those rules apply to them or not. This sets up a barrier to knowing and understanding out individual core person, and so many people live lives in a layer of frustration that is about this underlying thing they can't quite put their finger on, and the harder they try, in too many cases they simply press those rules on themselves even harder, and this is where things tend to get to people who feel like they have to live by the rules even though they know they aren't clear as to why they are there to begin with. Some people manage to break free from them in ways that is defined as artsy, weird, genius, difficult, not the same as the sheep. If it evolves into a positive attribute by the sheeple of the rules, then you are seen in a more than positive light, but rub others the wrong way and they see you as subversive or the like. But if you are one of the sheeple and a stickler for the rules, then aren't you the stunted person regardless? So long as someone isn't hurting others and recognizes that they are just different, then why label it as even positive or negative? The entire experience of living your life is to find and know your individuality and to not just go with the flow, its the people who maintain that you are supposed to that stifle creativity, and no matter where that creativeness takes you, thats all it is, it isn't about you vs the sheeple. Being trans, being gay, having a different skin color, these are not the things that set people apart, what sets people apart is the insistence of the sheeple matrix thinking that tries to force the same cookie cutter over everyone as if that is the individualism of it, it isn't, that cookie cutter is in the shape of sheeples, so no matter how far away from the norm you think you can go and be happy and not hurt others, the more likely it is that you are helping more than the cookie cutter sheeples could ever do. We are people who happen to be this or that, but we are people first and since you will have a hard time finding your own doppelganger in your lifetime, it just stands to reason that being a part of the matrix and living the lie of the sheeple is not going to get you very far along in your journey to be the best that you can. That said, the ability to use and learn from lucidity is key to finding yourself, even if it takes a lifetime, because we never really find ourselves, just ourselves in the never ending dreams where we are always going, the destination might be the end of life, might be just the start of the next one or the continuation, but until we find out, its all about learning to know ourselves, because nobody else is going to do that for us, and so many think they know who you should be, but realize that they haven't a clue to who they are at all.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2020 10:53:00 GMT 8
The diamond heart core...
Seeing through the matrix
Its all right there.
Didn't we see through it from the beginning? I did...it still sometimes looks just funny to me, like mens ties.
What are those anyway?
Talk about a social matrix thing.
Red vs pink?
You have to be a strong man to wear pink? lol. Try transitioning. And yes, NB, Trans, transition to what.... personally I am both, but what does that mean anyway, I chose to transition, does that change my gender identity or nullify being NB? Nope.
But yes, we can see between the lines. And it can drive us crazy.
Telling others what to believe? That's between them and God, all I can do is share my personal experience, if you like it, take it, if not, then don't.
Thats freedom.
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Post by kalima on Jul 10, 2020 12:46:16 GMT 8
Sorry I missed the late June part of this discussion. Glad I saw it now! Thank you for your reflections. I probably shouldn't have used the term "spiritual" in my initial post. I like to use the term "non-ordinary awareness". Just being non-binary or trans is already fairly non-ordinary. I am curious about non-binary/trans AND other non-ordinary awareness, and would definitely include lucid dreaming, visions and seeing auras. Or in my case, awareness of energy. It was interesting that Trinity mentioned staying away from kundalini yoga. I don't practice kundalini yoga, but had a VERY powerful kundalini experience about 20 months ago, and I guess I was ready for it because I was literally ecstatic for about 6 hours: radiating ecstatic, orgasmic energy through every cell of my body, and my mind in a hyper-lucid state. That also woke up my non-binariness because I was a woman experiencing it in a male body/mind/ego. That launched me on my gender exploration, but also piqued my curiosity about the intersection of non-binary and non-ordinary awareness, since I experienced both at the same time. But I have heard from others who had kundalini experiences that were excruciatingly painful, so you are right about being careful with it.
So thank you all for your responses. From this tiny sample, it seems like there might be a strong intersection between non-binary and non-ordinary awareness. That makes me feel less alone. If anyone in the future reads this, even if a significant amount of time has passed, I hope you include your experiences, too.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jul 11, 2020 9:11:15 GMT 8
Anything that stresses a person to the edge is going to be an experience that allows them to be more open to the universe around them, near death experience is like that, but people seem to be able to tap into things if they want to be able to, its just that it happens in small ways for most people and not in a big one that causes them to take note of it, this is the sunset light thing, everyone knows how it makes them feel yet not that many people seem to think it is out of the ordinary, after all, we all do this. Its in the stepping aside from the usual that we experience what isn't the ordinary and yet it is ordinary in that everyone does this and can do it, but knowing the difference between the BS of life and the being able to see past the BS is often the same as experiencing the non ordinary. I don't think it is an NB experience so much as it is easier for NB to be able to get past the BS and experience things as they are instead of the experience of how we are taught to experience. Just being aware that what we call reality is not reality but a shared version of it that is watered down to accommodate everyone, which is bland by design and contrasts with the opening of your mind to the experience of the universe and the reality as it actually is. By being aware that what we commonly think of as reality is nothing more than the shadow of it in front of us, experiencing the not so ordinary is within the grasp of anyone willing to look up from that shadow and see what is making it.
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