The diff btw sex, sexuality, and your gender identity

[Trinity]

Its probably the most important and most talked about item we have, and its still one of the ones I have the hardest issue understanding.

For me, if I keep it simple, and yes this is binary mostly- I have a nonbinary gender identity leaning towards male or more accurately flat out androgyne
I have an assigned sex of male based on having a penis, but it is the wrong body part, or something, its just messed up, and the way my body is programmed is female in terms of nerve endings and sexual response
I have a female sexuality.

Hence, nonbinary trans.  And I'll bet anyone anything it is textbook DES trans based on what I know about that drug and what it does to the nervous and endocrine systems in the womb, as well as other key elements such as skeletal development etc.  Its a womb transition while the sexual and gender centers of the brain are being formed.

I overcomplicate all this.

How does my gender feel today?  Less and less transexual, at least publically speaking, and more and more nonbinary, but on my own terms.

Classic rewiring in the womb.  Just classic.

Any thoughts, identification, disagreement or whatever on the 3 parts of nonbinary gender identity and nuance?

[Ativan Prescribed]

Sex: not so much body parts but that is the determining factor at birth, it is actually your chromosomes, your X's and Y's, and there are combinations that they might not even consider only because they don't check.
Sexuality: This is nothing more than you prefered way of having sex, and that may or may not be because of body parts or anything else, those are all factors that fall into something besides how you prefer to have sex, not to be confused with your sex.
Gender Identity: The realization of your personal identity that is not the same as your sex, it most certainly can be, but consider all the factors and your sex is pretty simple compared to all the things that gender identity involves.
It isn't the same thing as your sex, it is the inherent identity that developes or maybe even comes along at birth, the earliest estimations for the realization is about three years old, but it can be at anytime in your life.
In general it is not a choice, but what you want to do with it is, if you want to just be your birth sex, then it can be, but not necessarily to that degree of it has to be total male or whatever.
None of the usual tags that are given to female or male are exclusive to those, the tags are equally in or with both or all sex's, because sex is not your gender.
It's in the idea that your sex and gender are the same thing, then if you are born male, then your gender is male and no female at all, because you have a penis and not a vigina, to some the determining factor because they believe that god said so to someone at some time and it was written down decades later after that idea was passed through a bunch of people until that one person decide they should include it along with all of their vastly narrow views and ideas of society and how it works.
But the complexities of gender are not so simple, ask anyone and if they give you the honest answer, they will tell you that they sometimes think they have traits that to them are the opposite sex, so their gender is somewhat flexible.
You go to the other end of that idea and you are in transsexual territory, your gender is the opposite of your sex and for them, that is all there is to it, but ask them again and they will tell you it never was 100% and it isn't now.
Almost all people will say they are some percentage of what they think is the opposite sex, or to them it is gender, they can have some and still be the gender that their sex says they are, welcome to the Matrix there folks...
If there is an all male or all female, then they are all crowded together at the end of what they think is a spectrum, using that idea or view, they are all in that 100% place at either end, but that isn't actually possible.
Statistically, there is going to be a bunch of people who might use honesty and say they are this percentage and so on.
To them, they are still solidly whatever gender they think they are, but you know what? Most people will lie their ass's off because they are afraid of the Matrix police, that if anyone ever found out they like some feminine things if they are considered male, they will forever be lost in the land of unknown and will never be a part of society again, they will end up living under bridges and talking to themselves because nobody will listen to them anymore...
If there is someone at those very ends of the gender spectrum (that is imaginary and is one of the worst ways to see it), it is going to be life size versions and there can only be one of each, Ken and Barbie.
Gender is made up of bits and pieces of who you are and how you see yourself, it has virtually nothing to do with how others see you, they have zero to do with it, they might think they do, but being a self appointed Matrix cop doesn't make you a deciding anything, just a bigot actually, an asshole, a long list of things that have zero to do with your own gender.
You can even say that you like baseball because you admire a female baseball player, taking it away from the usual standard that it is a male thing, it isn't, it's baseball, nobody owns it and it can't be used to determine gender, only the person who thinks about their gender can.
Its like this for a lot of things, everything really, look at how it used to be so segragated between the sex's, one of the things that reinforces the gender idea that it is the same thing, which it is not.
But nowadays, there isn't anywhere near what it was fifty years ago, I was growing up and almost out of school by then, so I do have a good idea of how attitudes went about your sex and your gender, and there were transsexuals that people talked about, religious leaders said the apocalypse was going to happen because of them so send them more money and they will talk to god about it for you, but the sexual revolution was getting going with a bang back then, feminism was a common thing discussed.
All these years the defining things about women has changed, they can and are anyone they want to be and I think some men are scared of that and have this resentment to the point of hate, but I guess that's what it takes to be the president now.
So the definitions of gender isn't at all what it used to be, because the Matrix said it was this and this, and never that.
It's all changed now, your gender is still the same, its defining things are not the same, there really isn't anything that does at this point, the separation of the sex's is a quaint idea that might go over with southern politicians and can't think for themselves people who vote for them, but what used to be a separation is now a total indignant thing to even talk about, especially in front of woman and people who consider themselves even a part woman, if their gender is offended, it is because of that idea that your sex is somehow the same thing as your gender, it's not.
To define your gender as being this and that with labels that end up with a one or two labels to define it, it just isn't seen the same way for the next person, labels make it way more complicated than it is, it is your gender and how it is for you is what it is, there is no need to label it, it isn't anyone's business but yours.
Then there is this forum, which we use labels in ways that are pretty loose because we do talk about our genders and such, even off brand things have a touch of our genders in it, every facet of life and living has a touch of our gender in it when we talk about it.
That is the only time we can really use labels, and they are not to used as a confining thing, stop thinking that they are and you'll soon see that they are adding to your personal confusion about your gender, your gender is that thing in your head that says this is who you are and words just can't quite capture the essence of it, can come close, but never get there, and that's the way a lot of things are, the reason there are discussions and even research into things is because we can't quite get to the defining label so that we have a definition.
Call your gender whatever you want and describe it any way you want, there are no rules, there is no right or wrong, you are who you are and if we can take you at face value, then that goal of recognition is there, success.
But there are limits to it, if you can't quite get the idea across, then its a fail, to say your gender is like a unicorn rainbow fart, that just loses all the meaning for a rainbow fart unicorn or not.
We do discuss things and there are no rules for how you discuss, but if it stays in the general ideas that others can understand to at least some degree, then good.
Your sex is what your chromosomes are, and they very rarely ever check that you can have some really funky combos and never know, it is the deciding factor, but it doesn't determine gender in any way at all.
Sexuality is how you have sex, by yourself, with others, their sex has something to do with it but not that much, their gender is the same way, some people like the same plumbing and some like them all, and that can change, but it isn't a decision either, it's inherent and that's all.
Gender is ing=herent, so is your sex, and each of the three things are related in off hand ways, but one doesn't determine the other, gender is just what it is, sexuality has nothing to do with it, and your sex doesn't either, other than maybe some plumbing things that are prefered, but sex itself isn't the determining factor, you are and it is an inherent thing for each of us, one of the three or even two of the three has no effect on the other one or ones, they are each separate things and trying to combine them just leads to confusion and having to be in the closet for a lot of people, they can't come out until the Matrix police aren't looking.
Sex is easily defined yet there are a lot of variables to it, it can be complex in itself, but it is usually pretty straight forward, X's and Y's and the combinations that exist are just a few if limited to how many of them? But you can have a lot of them, technically there isn't a limit, but extreme is not a thing with them.
Sexuality is easy to define, who you want to have sex with, and seriously, if you have to qualify people by their parts, and even sex, then you miss the boat that has a lot more people on it, because gender.
Gender is the loose cannon of the three and it is the essential thing that determines our self values for ourselves and for others and other things, it is some of everything that makes you who you are, and you can be a unicorn fart if you want, that might be fun or maybe not.
Your souls, your id, your identity is tied up with your gender, all of those fluid things about ourselves is tied up with it and it with them.

[Becky]

Here goes for me...

Sex: Male (ugh)
Sexuality: Straight
Gender Identity: Feminine ("Demigirl" is the term I love most)

The disconnect between Male sex and Feminine identity is why I consider myself trans, but I also consider myself nonbinary because I only have top dysphoria.

There's no DES background with me - I am the way God created me, and that's okay.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Honestly, I'm starting to think of all trans as NB and a very big share of cis binary, I know for sure there are far more NB in the closet than they think there is, and the same is true of transsexual.
Just because some claim that there is some sort of religious reason and that society has never acknowledged trans or gay, doesn't mean they are right in any way shape or form.
But the influence that religion has and the assholes of the world have, it shouldn't be the way they say, I still think the louder you bitch about it in society, the more likely you are hiding in your closet.
But the degrees that can be drawn for what is transsexula and what NB is, even gay and bisexual have their fair share of this, it depends on where you are coming from.
But still, the loudest and the very worst examples of human beings are the ones calling the shots, the religious leaders who are down on LGBT are not religious at all, they have a cult that they require sends them money and they convert it to prayers for them.
The oldest con there is, giving the televangicals money isn't giving it to anything good, they live high on the hog and do very little else with that money, and don't say they do this and that, add up what they spent on it and how much they take in.
Like the NRA, they also have their share of lawsuits going on simply because they are the biggest cheats in society.
But that the assholes can fall back on them and claim this and that which they have no basis in reality for is just the worst there is to offer.
There were two military groups for LGBT and they combined forces and are looking to grow a lot more, MMAA, a very serious threat to the asshole in chief who just has a dislike so that he can get the evangelical votes, another cult.
But the entire thing about this is that where do you draw the line, to what degree do you have to be or think this way or that to be considered NB or LGBT for that matter.
If people were honest, the designations likely wouldn't even be needed, there isn't anything special about them other than it is the meeting places for those pushing back on the assholes.
Honesty will make the world a better place and if can happen, then the idea that there are so very many NB out there now who say nothing is going to become apparent and that will overwhelm the assholes trying to take others down in a way that simply is a money maker for them.
There isn't so much a need to get the reforms needed so that just people can live like other people because that is what this country is about, but it is very important for those on the fence to make the moves they can to outnumber the bad guys, and make it safe for them to have the life they want to live, the pursuit of happiness, it's right there somewhere that trump and the republicans are trying in vain to just shut off, because they are the major reasons for the lack of happiness in the country.

[Trinity]

May 14, 2019 10:56:20 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

Honestly, I'm starting to think of all trans as NB and a very big share of cis binary, I know for sure there are far more NB in the closet than they think there is, and the same is true of transsexual.
Just because some claim that there is some sort of religious reason and that society has never acknowledged trans or gay, doesn't mean they are right in any way shape or form.
But the influence that religion has and the assholes of the world have, it shouldn't be the way they say, I still think the louder you bitch about it in society, the more likely you are hiding in your closet.
But the degrees that can be drawn for what is transsexula and what NB is, even gay and bisexual have their fair share of this, it depends on where you are coming from.
But still, the loudest and the very worst examples of human beings are the ones calling the shots, the religious leaders who are down on LGBT are not religious at all, they have a cult that they require sends them money and they convert it to prayers for them.
The oldest con there is, giving the televangicals money isn't giving it to anything good, they live high on the hog and do very little else with that money, and don't say they do this and that, add up what they spent on it and how much they take in.
Like the NRA, they also have their share of lawsuits going on simply because they are the biggest cheats in society.
But that the assholes can fall back on them and claim this and that which they have no basis in reality for is just the worst there is to offer.
There were two military groups for LGBT and they combined forces and are looking to grow a lot more, MMAA, a very serious threat to the asshole in chief who just has a dislike so that he can get the evangelical votes, another cult.
But the entire thing about this is that where do you draw the line, to what degree do you have to be or think this way or that to be considered NB or LGBT for that matter.
If people were honest, the designations likely wouldn't even be needed, there isn't anything special about them other than it is the meeting places for those pushing back on the assholes.
Honesty will make the world a better place and if can happen, then the idea that there are so very many NB out there now who say nothing is going to become apparent and that will overwhelm the assholes trying to take others down in a way that simply is a money maker for them.
There isn't so much a need to get the reforms needed so that just people can live like other people because that is what this country is about, but it is very important for those on the fence to make the moves they can to outnumber the bad guys, and make it safe for them to have the life they want to live, the pursuit of happiness, it's right there somewhere that trump and the republicans are trying in vain to just shut off, because they are the major reasons for the lack of happiness in the country.

If the gatekeepers weren't using "true trans" as the benchmark for surgery, and if that wasnt written into the insurance code, more ts women would be nonbinary.  Most ts woman that I know have at least some part of them that they recognize as not female.

There are others with the complete inversion, and I would argue all day in favor of them being all the way binary.

But all of that stuff clouded things, and trans puberty does as well, it takes us into places that feel binary until things rebalance.

Ya know what I mean?

Why do you think I consider myself both transsexual and nonbinary?  yet I really fulfill the nonbinary truth, based on what I know.  Always walked that line.   But that line, was created by the binary trans identities, and if you threw that out, then it wouldn't even be relevent, it would simply be I need what I need and want to be accepted as who I look like any given time, and folks need to just give me what I need medically and emotionally and thats that.

But to your point, I see many on both sides of the coin, and in the end, its about self perception often times, and dysphoria is a whip that cuts blood.  We are who we say we are, we need what we need, and the thing we need most is to be free and accepted as who we are without someone else telling us what we are supposed to be, the hieght of pride and interference, the ultimate bullshit, telling a person who they have to be.

Grrrrrrrrr.....

[Ativan Prescribed]

May 15, 2019 0:53:19 GMT 8 Trinity said:

May 14, 2019 10:56:20 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

If the gatekeepers weren't using "true trans" as the benchmark for surgery, and if that wasnt written into the insurance code, more ts women would be nonbinary.  Most ts woman that I know have at least some part of them that they recognize as not female.

There are others with the complete inversion, and I would argue all day in favor of them being all the way binary.

But all of that stuff clouded things, and trans puberty does as well, it takes us into places that feel binary until things rebalance.

Ya know what I mean?

Why do you think I consider myself both transsexual and nonbinary?  yet I really fulfill the nonbinary truth, based on what I know.  Always walked that line.   But that line, was created by the binary trans identities, and if you threw that out, then it wouldn't even be relevent, it would simply be I need what I need and want to be accepted as who I look like any given time, and folks need to just give me what I need medically and emotionally and thats that.

But to your point, I see many on both sides of the coin, and in the end, its about self perception often times, and dysphoria is a whip that cuts blood.  We are who we say we are, we need what we need, and the thing we need most is to be free and accepted as who we are without someone else telling us what we are supposed to be, the hieght of pride and interference, the ultimate bullshit, telling a person who they have to be.

Grrrrrrrrr.....

Yep the supposed true and real information that is out there is basically either bullshit that the so called professionals came up with based on the wrong information available at the time and they don't changhe with the new.
Or it is a whole lot of information on how to weave your way past the bullshit and have a life that might be acceptable, I doubt that anyone anywhere is fully happy with their life.
But we do have a long list of things that is the map to use and for you to design your own path to be on, and you mostly never know until you get to the next curve on the path.
The information is vague and has to be because everyone is different, and it can be a lot more specific, but then that person has to tailor it to them if it doesn't fit but sounds good.
So it isn't easy to just say that over there are the landmines and here's the map for that, giving out information is a grind on the head because you are always having to say it in the way that person needs to hear it.
Thats why the TS Plan is a failure, it is the twelve step processing to get from male to female in the least amount of steps, it just doesn't have enough information to be viable the way it is talked about.
If a person is having a problem, the answers are generally on the order of just follow the plan and you'll be alright...
We don't have a plan, but each person can have one, so long as it is really flexible and can be changed as you go along, just something to aim for is really all that it, how to do it is always going to different.
So all in all, 90% or more of it is the anti bullshit information, the how to avoid the matrix and it's agents.
How do I do this in society? is a question asked all the time, and it is asked because of the BS rules of society, the heavy unwritten rules that give asshole empowerment to be even bigger assholes.
Take that stuff away from them and the BS is cut in half, the rest is just giving the advice like does this shirt shirt go with anything I own stuff level the easy stuff and its fun because we are all happy, because assholes have nothing to say.
It is in the old information that is resurrected to make the point that it is like this when that piece of info is no longer even relevant, but there you go, the Matrix Agents hold it out there as if it is real.
If you don't understand the Matrix analogy, then watch the three movies on netflix right now, think about yourself and how you fit in and you'll see why we talk about it, it isn't like hero worship, its about a philosophy.
The people who have been here from day one and came from the old forum have a lot of things to say, and it is getting harder to do because the youngest of members have a entirely different outlook on life than we did at that age.
Hard to tailor the information if you can't define the person, so you newbies and just people looking in and even the guests need to contribute to how the information is relayed to others.
Just know that we care and try to do our best even if it isn't as good as some people want, if it isn't, then just say so, we aren't the end of all ends of information, we just have been there and that, it's our opinions and nothing more really.
So jump in and take this forum to the next level that it probably needs to go to, I ain't going to around in a few years, I'm already forgetting things all the time, getting stents put in again because my body is failing.
I'l just wander off one day and people will forget all about me because nobody around me has even a clue about me, drives the gossipers crazy and that's why they don't know jack...

[Trinity]

Dont wander too far.

We are pretty battleworn, still need this place...for ourselves and others.

Lived through a lot, sometimes it only matters that we did live through it.

It can get dark fast. But the joys are real too.

What an odd life.

Yeah we need to hear more. Its too quiet now, maybe for younger folk being nb isnt a big deal like it is for us.

[Ativan Prescribed]

It's a big deal for them, there is still all the questions of what is this all about, but their fear of the Matrix Agents isn't the same as how we had to grow up in it all.
I had an MRI done so they could have an MRA done up and I have 90% blockage or more at the aorta where it splits to each leg, thats the left side, the right side is 60-70% blocked, or maybe more.
So scheduling for surgery is in the works, and it's a simple thing to get stents put in, you could read a magazine while waiting for them to finish.
But I had on put in the left side already a few years back and now its even worse than it was, so they are all over me and it's going to get worse about diet, but I've radically changed it already, need to adjust it a little more.
But the way I see it, is that if there is blockage there, then it just stands to reason that there is some all over the place, I think some days it might be a lack of blood flow to my brain, would account for a lot of things anyways...

[Trinity]

May 15, 2019 11:48:04 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

It's a big deal for them, there is still all the questions of what is this all about, but their fear of the Matrix Agents isn't the same as how we had to grow up in it all.
I had an MRI done so they could have an MRA done up and I have 90% blockage or more at the aorta where it splits to each leg, thats the left side, the right side is 60-70% blocked, or maybe more.
So scheduling for surgery is in the works, and it's a simple thing to get stents put in, you could read a magazine while waiting for them to finish.
But I had on put in the left side already a few years back and now its even worse than it was, so they are all over me and it's going to get worse about diet, but I've radically changed it already, need to adjust it a little more.
But the way I see it, is that if there is blockage there, then it just stands to reason that there is some all over the place, I think some days it might be a lack of blood flow to my brain, would account for a lot of things anyways...

At least you are doing something about it.

Sounds awful.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Piece a cake, slice a pie, ducks in a barrel, zero'd in, got this thing, no need for the stunt double, I can handle this one easily.

[RAYtch]

It’s a topic that should be very simple but it can get equally confusing too.
Assigned female sex here, trans Male (almost?) however I feel there’s a small percentage of female deep within me, and am attracted to women so does this make me straight, bisexual or gay? I have to add that I’d be as open minded to think - I am not attracted to the gender but the person which may change the previous answer. Human 100% 🙂👍

[Leena]

May 15, 2019 23:36:32 GMT 8 RAYtch said:

It’s a topic that should be very simple but it can get equally confusing too.
Assigned female sex here, trans Male (almost?) however I feel there’s a small percentage of female deep within me, and am attracted to women so does this make me straight, bisexual or gay? I have to add that I’d be as open minded to think - I am not attracted to the gender but the person which may change the previous answer. Human 100% 🙂👍

Trans men only attracted to women are straight, trans men only attracted to men are gay. Terms like straight, gay, etc are a bit incorrect and complicated when talking about nonbinary people though.

It gets even more complicated for genderfluid people. If I'm attracted to women and flipped feminine am I lesbian and then heterosexual when flipped masculine?

Pansexual could be the right term if you are open to people of all genders. Some people take bisexual to mean exclusive of nonbinary people and sometimes of binary trans people. I've seen this attitude from some bisexual cis people.

I'm not sure I'm personally open to dating people of all genders, I've always been much more attracted to women, though at this point I'm not sure I want to date anyone that's cisgender. I'm not sure I'm ready to completely give up on dating cis women, though heterosexual women are basically off the table now. Though some presumably heterosexual cis women flirt with me when I'm in guy mode it's a weird feeling as I know they won't like me once they find out I'm genderfluid and I rarely even do guy mode.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Making things simple is how confusion gets taken out of the equation.
Trying to figure out sexuality in NB isn't even something that works, it doesn't exist.
You can say that you are this and then that, but that doesn't give you sexuality either.
It's like the difference between gender and sex, sex is your package more or less, and gender is who you are, take the meat suit away and you have just your gender and that is what it is.
Same the other way around, they are two very separate things and trying to recombine them is the same thing that cis binary do and then get all frustrated and in their confusion declare bs stuff like it can't be and the bible told me so.
Just stop trying to make one even a part of the other, they can be side by side, but never a part of each other.
Sexuakity is very key to binary genders, and even they take it to extremes and declare if this is this and a little of that, then it is a thisthen. Confusion, because it is an attempt to label something that doesn't need a label, it's only important to the people who are a thisthem sort of and maybe... and the need to label everything.
Some comedy movie had the characters trying to label everything that was new to them and they had amnesia or something, they kept pointing at stuff and labeling it, and then there would be another one in as little as a different light of the day and they had to label that.
Sure you can sit and ponder all of these things, but go be a buddhist monk and live in a safe temple away from all the other labels that drive people crazy.
There doesn't need to be a new label for each and every variation of something that everyone recognizes as its simple label, and if they see some remarkable variation worth talking about, they do, it's keeping it simple, because that variation is going to be and look different to each person, so the labels just get to be a few hundred or thousand for the very same thing, depending on the person.
NB sexuality is like that, do NB have sexuality? Of course, it's called sexuality, there isn't any reason to try and label every facet of it, although the facets make for a good discussion.
Things get to have the status of having a label when it is obvious that everyone uses that anyways, so it goes into the dictionary of choice and forever gets lost in the pages somewhere until someone wants to know what you call that. Google is a lot easier but isn't reliable either.
NB, be attracted to who interests you, don't let the built in prejudices from growing up stop you, get rid of the oppression that society covers the light with.
If you want to screw this person, does it even have to be the way according to the way they are equipped? No, there are endless variations that can be a mix and match and best to just go with feels right and ask if it is for them.
Simple, takes the confusion out of it, and if everyone did this, then sexulaity wouldn't be a confined thing and the labels they use in disgust that the people use as a way to just stick it to them isn't necessary anymore.
Imagine a world were the terme LGB aren't used, and it's just as easy to stop the discussion and the bullshit of trans.
Society makes you belive a lot of bull shit and it is one of the things that monks don't have to put up with, they are aware but don't deal in bs, better things levitate them with...
Think about how by making it complicated that it makes it easy for the confused to outright dismiss us, its to complicated they say, they don't get it, and it's because people try to explain it to society with society's flawed views and labels.
Just like you can't be a percentage male and a percentage female, what the fuck is that percentage actually made up of and are you sure you don't put more weight on some things than on others?
You just need to stop trying to say the wind is a thingamabob just because it changed direction slightly, or intensity, the speed of it, what a world of shit we'd all be in trying to figure that out in school.
Keep it simple, if people ask what the male parts of nb you are and then the female, just tell them that it doesn't apply, that's only their ideas of how it works and it isn't that way, gender is a made up label and thing.
Take that out of the equation and omg it becomes so freaking simple to even just breathe, because you aren't wasting oxygen thinking about how to make a simple thing complicated so that it justifies all the hype and bullshit.
The T disappears when you take that away from the ones who misuse it the most, cis binary, it is a convenient way for them to muck up everything because of the bigotry that is always there in the matrix society.
There isn't a need to label and define everything that is talked about in conversations or even written about it.
There is a point where it is ridiculous and think about this, all the words that are used all of a sudden in conversations that weren't used in general, but now are, but only for a few months at best.
Thats someone trying to make it sound a lot more important by making use of words that may or may not be the best choice, the ones that are only used in certain conversations or writings.
Something can be a this in a conversation with those people, but that very same thing is a that in a conversation with the them people.
Journalists do this all the time to make them appear to be brighter than the number two pencils they use to write shit down with.
Them someone picks it up and uses it in the wrong context and suddenly it is like a new invented word and you said it first so you are smarter than the rest, taking words out on the context of a conversation and using them in another as if they fit is always a no-no.
The urge to label things is extreme in order to try and simplify things for yourself, and those labels are yours, not anyone else's.
Use them for yourself all you want, if they work out, great.
But just eliminating the stuff that doesn't need to be in the equation is how they best ones come about, the simple ones are the ones that matter the most, and they spend a lot of time trying to always make them simpler than they are.
But its in the simplicity of things that rattle in your head that everyone can understand that makes them the beautiful things they are, nothing mucking it up because it is true in its simplest form.
Always this is the thing that is to be achieved in things, you make them simple and life isn't so confusing, the new thing is simply the way it is, the what was thought of as old is still the same, and yet if things are refined, those change and become simple again.
Sexuality isn't a thing for NB and it doesn't really have to even exist, all it does is cinfine desires to roughly half the people you meet, hows that for stupid, get rid of the notion and it becomes more clear the longer you think about it.
Instead of the overwhelming use of things like labels for things that aren't really even there and don't need them anyways, think about all that and there is a room at the psych unit nearby for you.

[charley83]

So for me I was born with female body parts and I am okay with them. Do I like them? Not really but when it comes to my gender identity I feel my female parts are appropriate. Most of the time I feel both male and female. I can sense both within me but depending on the day depends if one is more pronounce than the other. Most days I'm in an inbetween state and am ok with an androgynous look. As for my sexuality I never thought much of it because I grew up with a bisexual mother that openly lived in a trouple relationship when I was in my teens so for me I learned early that whoever I like is fine and not to worry what parts they have. I have "dated" men and women and a few of the people would be considered non binary. I have even dated a gay cis man before and I think that was one of my better more comfortable relationships. I was able to present more masculine and able to inbrace my top tendencies. So when it comes to sexuality I consider myself pansexual because I like any and all genders. However someone choses to present doesnt affect my attraction. What draws me to someone is the fact they are strong enough to be themselves.(and if they like to wear lacey underwear that's even better) My husband hates when I say I am pan because he thinks I am straight because I have female parts and married a cis man. He doesn't like to think about me being queer in any way because it was not how he was raised. Yet he will point out females for me to look at.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Hubby sounds more and more like there is something he is trying to hide, hormones and a dress or two to wear around the house might make him a happier person.
* The reason some people seem to be louder is so that they can leave the closet door shut and still be heard.