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Post by Trinity on Apr 8, 2019 10:57:41 GMT 8
But I do think people should at least try low dose either way, just so they know there is a different way that you see things when your hormones are right for you. And that's the thing, I have no idea if they are right anymore for me, I stay in this mindset of NB almost all the time, I don't think I need to change that. That part is still going to bother me until I try. I don't know that they wouldn't be so much better for me than the herbals I'm taking. I'm in some ways more concerned that if it turns out HRT isn't for me, then what? Blood test first. Facts first....
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 8, 2019 11:28:13 GMT 8
There isn't any real reason to do blood tests other than that they do blood tests to even see if you need blood tests. If you plan on going whole hog after you try them, then sure, they need a baseline then. But there is nothing dangerous with taking especially low dose of E or T, it just isn't that much and your body changes that ratio more than that most days throughout the day. It is important to know the levels if you are going to see what a good dose might be if you are doing the plan, but really, the gatekeepers have always used those kinds of things as a way to screw with people. They sell things over the counter that can have a much more impact on you than low dose ever could. Even taking cold medicine has more effect on you, a couple pots of coffee really does. There are no recorded cases of tragedy with anyone taking birth control especially in the low dose range, and they use it for even more things, because it is that safe. Have you ever heard of a major complication from someone using a low dose patch, even years later? It just doesn't happen. But you can catch this deadly gonna kill us all before long fungus that the more they look the more places they find it, and it is impossible to stop right now, and can live everywhere they have looked. So really, just using a patch from the kid next door birth control isn't hardly the stuff of tragedy that you can even find, if it was, what is that kid doing with it? If you want to be safe, then you are going to need a blood test for anything different that you take, including foods, and those can and are deadly to a lot of people, low dose E and T are pretty safe even compared to aspirin, which eats a hole in your stomach. Everytime I go to the doc she has the nurse come in and take a blood test on me, they do the panels stuff and even though it is always OK and the one time there was something that showed up, they could have taken just that one test and did it right there before I left. They love those blood tests because they make good money on them, they charge you a bunch and half of it is done right there and is done by that afternoon. If there is nothing wrong with me and the doc says I seem fine, then why do they keep taking blood? It's a lot like telling you that you are going to die a thousand deaths if you don't get a camera shoved up your ass. The same with the tests for prostate cancer, a simple test, and if it shows nothing, then try again in five years, not every fucking time I go into see the doc because she makes me so I can get my scripts filled again which she never asks about, she just tells me that I should have a sitload of tests done because I might get cancer, when I told her that everything I keep reading because my blood sugar went up is that I am going to die and her response was, we are all going to die sooner or later, seriously, so she took another blood test. You know, I wouldn't even get to excited if I did have cancer, before it got to be too bad and makes life not worth living, then I guess I would decide that I have done enough living for several people and just call it a day, or life depending on how you see that.
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Post by Leena on Apr 8, 2019 12:00:18 GMT 8
That part is still going to bother me until I try. I don't know that they wouldn't be so much better for me than the herbals I'm taking. I'm in some ways more concerned that if it turns out HRT isn't for me, then what? Blood test first. Facts first.... I didn't necessarily consider it might be taken that way...
It's more that if I don't like HRT what the fuck am I and what have I been doing with the last 6+ years of my life...I want HRT and want it to work, that I wanted herbals to give me what HRT can was a really big step in my journey. They anecdotally grew my breasts slightly and made my nipples much larger and basically hard all the time, and made a huge difference in slowing my hair loss. I don't want to promote that they do more than that, because they didn't.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 9, 2019 10:47:36 GMT 8
A person is not defined by the hormones they take or don't take, that is just an incidental thing for most trans, but it is not a defining one. I'm sure there are way more trans who simply don't for their own reasons than I would guess from the ones I know and the people on forums like this. I read things from people who are sorry they ever went so far on hormones, and they can't undo some of it, it doesn't mean they aren't that person they are, it is just a kickback from taking them. Life itself may have not worked the way they thought it was going to, the plan is the destroyer of a lot of people's lives as trans, because it promises a lot and yet few really get there like they say is possible. Taking hormones is not a defining thing and it never should be, if you try them and like how it makes your thinking a lot more clear by lifting the who am I cloud, then fine, they are for you then. But the wanting them to do this and that and not that and this, it just messes with people's heads, they can get it in their heads that life is going to simply be better because, but that isn't what hormones are for. The align certain things for people and those things can be different, but mostly people walk away saying that now they feel like they have always thought they should, they just become more of who they are, not someone they aren't. I tell people to try low dose because in general for those who think it might help, it usually does and there is very little danger in trying them out, it it is for you, you will know almost right away, if not for you, you will quit in less time. It's like me thinking that an antidepressant is going to make my life so much better, and it does only because it gets rid of the cloud, but life being better is a choice that I have to make and so does everyone else. Hormones doesn't do much of anything really to make life better, it in it's own way lifts the cloud, and that is different for everyone, but life being better is the choices you make, you can't do street drugs and expect life to be good, and you just made the wrong choice. But who you are is who you are and it isn't going to matter what you take or don't, what matters is the choices you make, it's the choices we all make that is going to make life the way we want, taking something just doesn't do that. But like my antidepressant, it allows me to see and make those choices that are going to be the better choices, but the med doesn't do that, I do that and it's very much the same thing with hormones. But the expectation that hormones is going to make life better is the wrong one, it just clears up the traffic jam in your thinking enough for you to be able to navigate through the storm better.
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Post by Leena on Apr 9, 2019 11:17:08 GMT 8
A person is not defined by the hormones they take or don't take, that is just an incidental thing for most trans, but it is not a defining one. I'm sure there are way more trans who simply don't for their own reasons than I would guess from the ones I know and the people on forums like this. I read things from people who are sorry they ever went so far on hormones, and they can't undo some of it, it doesn't mean they aren't that person they are, it is just a kickback from taking them. Life itself may have not worked the way they thought it was going to, the plan is the destroyer of a lot of people's lives as trans, because it promises a lot and yet few really get there like they say is possible. Taking hormones is not a defining thing and it never should be, if you try them and like how it makes your thinking a lot more clear by lifting the who am I cloud, then fine, they are for you then. But the wanting them to do this and that and not that and this, it just messes with people's heads, they can get it in their heads that life is going to simply be better because, but that isn't what hormones are for. The align certain things for people and those things can be different, but mostly people walk away saying that now they feel like they have always thought they should, they just become more of who they are, not someone they aren't. I tell people to try low dose because in general for those who think it might help, it usually does and there is very little danger in trying them out, it it is for you, you will know almost right away, if not for you, you will quit in less time. It's like me thinking that an antidepressant is going to make my life so much better, and it does only because it gets rid of the cloud, but life being better is a choice that I have to make and so does everyone else. Hormones doesn't do much of anything really to make life better, it in it's own way lifts the cloud, and that is different for everyone, but life being better is the choices you make, you can't do street drugs and expect life to be good, and you just made the wrong choice. But who you are is who you are and it isn't going to matter what you take or don't, what matters is the choices you make, it's the choices we all make that is going to make life the way we want, taking something just doesn't do that. But like my antidepressant, it allows me to see and make those choices that are going to be the better choices, but the med doesn't do that, I do that and it's very much the same thing with hormones. But the expectation that hormones is going to make life better is the wrong one, it just clears up the traffic jam in your thinking enough for you to be able to navigate through the storm better.
I don't necessary think it will make life better, just maybe they will be more effective than the herbals. Hormones aren't going to change the other people in my life, that's something I will have to deal with, and a good portion of them will hate me regardless of whether I am a viewed as a trans woman or a feminine guy or a non-binary person. People aren't going to view me as a cis woman, I know that. It kind of bothers me that people view me as something other that a trans woman, they mostly view me as a really feminine gay guy and that's so not me on basically all levels. I don't care that people view me as trans, though I know that's something some trans women hate. I somewhat want the opposite really, I just don't think if I am not on HRT people take me seriously as a trans woman. If the electrolysis had worked better than it had, maybe, but I'm at a real turning point in my life. I don't want to live as a guy period. I can maybe deal with it for occasional family visits, but I don't want to take another job as a guy. That just isn't me, and the thought of doing it even for a few months well makes me not apply for jobs. I'm getting close to maxing out my credit card, I can't just do nothing and hope this idea will go away, it just isn't, I am socially transitioning this year regardless...I suppose I could try to socially transition as non-binary, but I am closer to binary, and maybe should not be as name and pronoun indifferent as I thought about in that other thread...I really just want to be Leena with she/her pronouns, and look as feminine as I can possibly be. How much HRT can do for me remains to be seen, but I want to see it...
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 9, 2019 11:45:21 GMT 8
Give it a shot, don't expect miracles and then if they do happen, they are just that much better. Regardless of where you go, they are most likely going to put you on low dose for a couple weeks or so, and that gives you a lot of time to see how it is. Sometimes more really does make that much difference, sometimes it doesn't, more did for me, but it was too much, too intense in its own way. But ratcheting it back to a low dose was the sweet spot, it took some fiddling around, but I found it with no problem really. It's likely going to be like the herbals in a lot of ways, and you could stop those if you wanted, and both might be good, or just E in the dose you like. It's a try it and see thing, there is no guarantees with any of it, everyone is different and how it works is the same way. You just aren't going to be able to see around that curve on the path, you're going to have to actually go there to see if it is the right fork or the left, maybe there's one in the middle. It isn't a do or die thing, it's like eating the best tacos ever and this is the best hot sauce that just makes it better, be it mild to wild, we each like it differently and we make it our own tacos.
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Post by Leena on Apr 9, 2019 12:14:52 GMT 8
I can't even quit the herbals, I've tried.
Hair starts shedding, body hair grows faster, it's like all the worst symptoms of detransition, even if I'm not close to full transition levels or even all that high levels of herbals compared to some.
It's really more I'm going to go up to higher levels on that, which probably are not safe, or go on HRT sooner rather than later.
Herbals maybe slowed things down for me, and I needed to take things slow when I started them for a number of reasons, the big one being I was working over 80 hours a week and couldn't take time off for doctor's appointments. It was so easy to just stick with it after that, rather than make the hard decisions. I tried to once or twice, but didn't follow through, and it seems you have to really push for HRT if you are going to get it.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 10, 2019 10:40:27 GMT 8
Look it up or ask around for where it is just as easy as signing a consent letter, the old school wants you to take night classes on woodworking and welding, the newer ones in the know are pretty used to the idea that aspirin is probably harder on you.
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Post by danishcouple on Nov 18, 2021 2:22:17 GMT 8
We are on hormones only to change our body's in the way we wanted.
Both we were female at birth, but not typical females, we were more so called boyish than "normal" females, climbing in trees fighting, skateboarding, did lots of monkee tricks playing the most part of time with boys.
At a young age we went going to youth lhbti meetings and camps to talk with others and therapists, at that time we both tought that we are tomboy lesbians with a strong male side.
We came also in contact in those day's with trans boys, who started transitioning to males, that interested us than we talked with this boy's and see the changes.
But we have seen also the scars from their mastectomy's what we found ugly, we have also seen results of their phallo plasty's that was real shocking and juk, this was a no go for us, also we were proud of our body's what we had at that time.
But transition interested us a lot so we started talking seriously with therapists, and in this sessions we came till the conclusion that we had almost perfect formed body's we didn't want to change that with surgery's, but we wanted to transitioning changing to become in side the male spectrum also.
WE came to the conclusion that we were bigender, and that we serious wanted to transform to the third gender.
Our therapist introduced us to a group of people who were transformd to the third gender, we talked a lot wit them about what it was what it is and so on.
And a half past year after this we decided this is wat we are this is wat we want, at that time we were 17 and 16, they put us on testosterone only without blockers for estrogen, so that there is flooding hormones from both binair genders in our body's, so that we grow out to bigender persons.
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Post by Leena on Nov 18, 2021 4:15:18 GMT 8
I switched from herbals to HRT about a month after I last posted in this thread. HRT was a lot more effective than I expected, and did a lot more for me than herbals did.
I'm kind of still on the fence about bottom surgery. Although I think I would prefer having a vagina, I don't know that I'd be able to keep up with the dilating, and I'm not sure if I wouldn't be more dysphoric if I had less than perfect results. Using what I have doesn't really make me dysphoric, though having to worry about if a bulge is showing when I'm wearing clothes does.
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Post by Trinity on Nov 18, 2021 11:44:42 GMT 8
Interesting read on this revived thread.
I'm still on full dose, added progesterone too, dysphoria is way better than it was, still can be a thing once in a while but I got pretty comfortable being NB and full dose and living the different presentations while always just being me really.
9 years into this and I am still learning and not totally clear where it will all lead in the end.
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