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Post by Iona on Mar 7, 2019 22:13:45 GMT 8
Hello, I'm Jos, or Josie, or Jo... with another ending. For now, here, I'm Josie. I was really happy to find this religion section, and just wanted to introduce myself a bit. But then it turned out to be a bit of an essay. Please bear with me! If you'd like to, of course...
I think I've always been struggling against this ingrained belief in absolutes, in dualisms: right and wrong; belief and unbelief. Man and woman.
I was brought up very much Christian (protestant evangelical) with all the guilt that came with it. And it was all about the absolutes. But now (years) after studying and finding an awesome community of seekers I now consider myself something of an agnostic.
But I don't believe that's indecision. That is very much a conscious decision to live in the unknowing. To let it be unconcluded. To let the questioning and seeking and opening myself up to others continue.
And that seems to be where I am with gender right now. I've tried to be a man, and I can't be a woman. But I'm not 'undecided', stuck between two absolutes. I am - I think - bigender. I'm not 'not one thing or the other'. I'm both. And finally I'm beginning to love both the masculine and the feminine in me.
I'm just beginning to try to exist in the indefinite, to be true to both (all) aspects of myself. I don't know how to do it, but I would not sacrifice either side of myself for anything.
But of course, I'm only just beginning, and I don't really know where I'm going. Who can say what will change? I am so happy finally to start though.
Anyway, hello, it's very nice to meet you!
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Post by Trinity on Mar 8, 2019 1:11:49 GMT 8
Hello, I'm Jos, or Josie, or Jo... with another ending. For now, here, I'm Josie. I was really happy to find this religion section, and just wanted to introduce myself a bit. But then it turned out to be a bit of an essay. Please bear with me! If you'd like to, of course... I think I've always been struggling against this ingrained belief in absolutes, in dualisms: right and wrong; belief and unbelief. Man and woman. I was brought up very much Christian (protestant evangelical) with all the guilt that came with it. And it was all about the absolutes. But now (years) after studying and finding an awesome community of seekers I now consider myself something of an agnostic. But I don't believe that's indecision. That is very much a conscious decision to live in the unknowing. To let it be unconcluded. To let the questioning and seeking and opening myself up to others continue. And that seems to be where I am with gender right now. I've tried to be a man, and I can't be a woman. But I'm not 'undecided', stuck between two absolutes. I am - I think - bigender. I'm not 'not one thing or the other'. I'm both. And finally I'm beginning to love both the masculine and the feminine in me. I'm just beginning to try to exist in the indefinite, to be true to both (all) aspects of myself. I don't know how to do it, but I would not sacrifice either side of myself for anything. But of course, I'm only just beginning, and I don't really know where I'm going. Who can say what will change? I am so happy finally to start though. Anyway, hello, it's very nice to meet you! There are people of faith here, of sprituality, who struggle with the organized relgion and politics of the church. I have not been posting much in the faith part, but i should, I live it out, in truth, according mostly to the red letters.... Blessings dear one, keep on posting please, and enjoy the wonderful complexity and truth of nonbinary gender.
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Post by Jamie Quinn on Apr 26, 2019 20:31:53 GMT 8
In my experience, absolutes come from language. There is a certain kind of understanding one can come to by eschewing it and existing in pure, pre-linguistic intuition. I hope that your indefinite-ness frees you to experience ineffable truth.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 28, 2019 9:52:25 GMT 8
But there are most certainly absolutes and the only way to have others understand is to use language. Unless we all suddenly have some form of telepathy, we would just be walking around bumping into each other. And there is such a thing as intuition, and that's fine, but I'll bet your intuition comes in some form of language, whether the spoken one or the one that you use inside your head. Breaking things down to their simplest forms usually creates absolutes and not always, but all of it depends on your own thinking language that the brain does to process information. You can take it further down and say that it is neurons firing in a certain order, but then that order is the language it is using, so there is no real getting away from it. Absolutes are truth and truths are absolutes, they are interchangeable and the way they are expressed is dependent on the context in the conversation. The concept of God is an absolute, God is that truth. The things that we experience are always going to be changing and refined, so real true absolute? It's kinda like deceleration, does it ever really reach completely stopped? It just keeps slowing down until it is moved in another direction, most things in life are like that, they can seem to be standing still and yet they are vibrating frequencies and sending out waves on a quantum scale to infrared and more... We can do away with language and still some caveman is going to walk out and see another one and uhg is the word of the day, spoken language is how we actually transfer information, whether spoken of typed out on the internet. Physics will show you what most people think of as absolutes and they usually have the disclaimers that the information is correct for the current time. Yet the average person lives by their absolutes, religion depends on absolutes to be effective, the don't do this but do this instead kinda rules that for some unknown reason just can't be broken,, no matter how much relevant information comes along to refine those absolutes. The entire world is filled with the apparent absolutes and sure a person can have an intuition moment that sees between the lines, but then how do you transfer that information from intuition? You could I suppose have one foot in both places, but that would just interfere with the process of intuition and everyday living, kinda like you can't stay stoned all the time, you're still on the bicycle but the chain is broken. Does intuition arrive at conclusions or is it just free falling through thought without any discernible goal in mind, just rattling in the can until something coherent falls out? Intuition arrives at a conclusion and that to be of any use at all is to just remember it for yourself, but then your mind is going to self talk in your spoken language or it will alter some neurons firing away trying to process that information so it can go on to find some other intuition sort of thing. Intuition is a fine thing to have, it has kept me alive more than I know, that hesitation when stepping off the curb that is just long enough to let that speeding car go by, that kind of stuff. It also is that flash of brilliance that allows me to see a segment of the future that I am worried about, it can't go to far into the future or it gets lost in the other intuitions. But the ability to see what is going to happen next in the seconds before it does happen is very valuable and I'm sure you can find some examples from yourself. But absolutes are the anchors of the intelligence you use and are aware of on that intuition level of thinking. But just like deceleration, they both are what they are until something comes along to change them, a nudge of information and that information needs some sort of language to be understood, neurons to spoken, it needs that or it is useless.
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Post by Jamie Quinn on Apr 29, 2019 14:18:03 GMT 8
The kind of intuition I meant was the kind of thought that precedes language. We think in language as a conscious translation of what emerges from our unconscious in a pre-linguistic state. We act without thinking in language all the time. That’s what a flow state is; when you bypass your internal language altogether and enter into a state of being. That’s my metaphysical precept anyway.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Apr 30, 2019 10:37:15 GMT 8
There is that, and I know how it works, had to have that ability to do the job at hand. You don't think, you just do, you think after the fact and it's all training and just getting used to it. But then that's also how a person usually drives a car, runs machinery. The necessary way to filter the garbage and get to the clean solution in science. It's what I said about not stepping off the curb for a second, and a speeding car goes by. The levels of intuition vary with the situation and the person, but luck isn't that, it's being good at intuitively getting to the right answer at the right time. Like not stepping in front of that car, you don't think about the sound of it coming, maybe the horn honking of a person they passed, screech of tires somewhere, you just stop and keep talking to your friend and then cross the street. Most times you don't consciously respond to the hints of what is coming your way in so much internal speak, you forget those things the same instant they are not relative, so the look of it is luck. But there is the language that your brain uses unless you discount that, and you shouldn't, it's your inner self, its who you are, it is what makes you alive. And brain mapping is coming to the hard conclusion that it is all just response to stimulation, more than just memory, which is the stimulation as well as the environment. But yah, those few seconds if even that of just knowing what is coming down the line from the future is more valuable than a person would think. Kentucky Windage...
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