"All Straight Lives Matter" Anti-SSM Rally (TW)

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www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/far-right-nationalist-party-for-freedom-to-hold-straight-lives-matter-antisamesex-marriage-rally/news-story/23808028e7150ce7d1bb2e8e1eb148d0

Um...

Have you looked at the TV lately? Been to the movies? Walked around outside in the city? Seen a couple get married? Seen the abundance of heterosexual couples with their children? Seen the advertisements that flaunt heterosexuality and cisgender people as the norm?

Your heterosexuality is the norm, it has been for years, it is NOT under threat. Having marriage equality legalised won't affect you AT ALL!

(It especially angers me when married people are against marriage equality. Its like, you're already married, you've A) got nothing to worry about because your marriage is not under threat and B) you just exercised your right to marry, got married and you're seriously going to take away somebody else's right to marry?! If the shoe was on the other foot... )

Its biogtry like this that makes me realise people like that are holding society back from progressing further. Giving these close-minded fools the spotlight validates other fools into believing they are right and that marriage equality shouldn't be legalised because religion, because its unnatural, because I don't agree with it, because think of the children!!!

1. You can't use your religion as a justification for denying marriage equality.

2. Homosexuality is far from unnatural and is in fact, very natural because it occurs in the animal kingdom. Humans are said to be descendants of primates so why shouldn't homosexuality exist in humans? Is it because we are more intelligent (highly debatable) and are the only species with social standing? Fuck off with that!

3. You disagreeing with the person's right to marry is nonsensical. Disagreeing with a person's sexuality makes you an asshole. It's not something to disagree or agree on. A person's right to marry or their sexuality is not up for debate and does not require your consent nor adknowledgement to be valid

4. Oh gasp, God forbid a child learns about homosexuality, learns about a community of diverse people and possibly grow up to be open-minded, level-headed individual!

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Personally to me all lives matter.

I agree because what does gay marriage equality for all hurt? How does it effect cis lives? I say this all the time and that is I think they should outlaw marriage for everyone. Marriage is nothing more than a contract and marriage is not really a proof of loving someone but states make money off of a license, religious organizations make money off of a ceremony Divorce lawyers make money off of the roughly 50 percent divorce rate and so on. It is big business.

It would be so much easier because why should you need to be married with a license to have your significant other on your insurance policy? With life insurance do you really need to be licensed by the state to make who you love a beneficiary without other family members greed being able to dispute it. Same with a Will. There should be no contesting it period.

Personally it cost me about 5 thousand to get married and about the same for a divorce so I will never marry anyone again man or woman. If I ever find true love again then I will change my Will and insurance policies to reflect the beneficiary to the one I love. I will also see a lawyer to make it iron clad so no contesting my wishes. Then go straight to the honeymoon phase and spend the big bucks in an exotic place and then just live life. it is easy to get married law so they can't do anything anti about it. No one has to like it but it is Law and Constitutional at least in the United States.

But I am anti marriage and when that marriage falls apart then it is a bigger pain to end it. everything that marriage does I can do without getting married. I can legally change my last name to match my husbands if need be. I can have a little promise ceremony in from of friends and family where we can devout our lives to one another without a license from the state.

LOL and not to make light of all you said, humans are indeed primates but I am really not sure how many monogamous primates there are. I am sure there are some but most are not. I do know that some birds mate for life and certain  and I may be wrong but marine mammals and I believe dolphins and certain whale species are monogamous. A marriage license though does not secure you mates fidelity or even yours. Humans are notorious for the "seven year itch" and that is because of a primal drive to spread our genes as widely around as possible.

If we were smart we would do the same thing for cis marriage and counter the argument. When my mom and dad got married, they had to have a blood test to make sure they were not related too closely. When I got married there was no blood test, just sign, say I Do and have a member of a church sign and then you may now kiss. From my point of view, do I really need all that to dedicate my life to someone and love them?

This is an Aussie thing Jayce? I do see in the description of au. Ya'lls equivalent of the US Supreme Court has not decided marriage equality for all yet? It gets complicated because ours has but it is still up to the individual states to issue the licenses last I checked. So you just drive to another state, get married and even your home state has to acknowledge it just like they do driver's licenses from other states.

See our constitution doesn't really mention things like marriage specifically. Marriage is something that was actually born out of religious doctrines. But our constitution specifically mentions the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Your life is your own to live how you see fit, Liberty reinforces that and your pursuit of happiness is your own to decide. I am pretty sure this was taken into consideration when our supreme court decided same sex marriage constitutional.

Hell even our most liberal state voted against gay marriage and that was Prop 8 in California. So many people complained that it was taken to the Supreme Court and found that marriage equality is actually a Constitutional right in the United States. And yes that complained were straight too and found the inequality unfair.

Sometimes these extreme rallies on the alt right and alt left cause more sympathy from people in the middle and sensible than anyting else.

What is the reaction to this rally from most other's that are sensible where you are from? But the more extreme a group is the more sympathy it will cause from those in the middle for the ones the extremists hate. most people are center left or center right. Those on the extreme ends of the spectrum do more damage for their own causes than they accomplish.

Look I come from Arkansas and about as country as you can get and my whole family is about as redneck as you can get. Not all my friends agree with but respect who I am. A lot of my family members are LGBT and know others in their day to day life that is LGBT. My best friend I grew up with is gay. I am the only trans woman that I know of. I do have a cousin though that is FTM. But my best friend tells me about people that he never thought and I wouldn't either to be gay or bi. Only one person that I grew up with does not approve. But his brother is gay. You would think a rural state like Arkansas would be totally anti LGBT but there are bi annual festivals in Eureka Springs every year. I live in a red state and we have Southern Decadence in New Orleans. Even the small town I live in people are open and out and accepted. But times are changing and crap like anti LGBT groups are becoming the minority of rational thought processes. So let them have their little rally but it will cause the opposite effect of what they want.

[Ativan Prescribed]

When all that same sex marriage bullshit was going on, there was the question of transgender marriage as well.
Pretty much the gay communities offed trans and felt that including them wasn't needed and only diminished their chances.
So they offed trans at that point, did a we'll come back later and help, yah sure, trans under the bus again.
Minnesota fixed the problem by taking the gender wording out of the law and that opened it up to gay and trans, everyone happy.
So fricken simple to do, no rewritng laws, no debate, no bullshit, they just changed the wording on=f the existing law and that took care of it.
Didn't cost hardly a thing, no protests, no push back, it was done and over before anyone really knew the legislature was doing it.
To undo it, it would take the existing legislature a long time with a lot of protests.
There was a pushback from Family Planning or whatever they are called, they got maybe a dozen people in a parking lot holding signs who went home after an hour.
It isn't like it needs to be debated, it isn't like there should be any pushback on it now.
People here realize that it hasn't effected anyone for the bad, only the good, it drives business's it does a lot for the people to say yes we can.
It's a futile and immature group of people who are against people getting married.
It's people who think they can now get their very small group's agenda the way they want it to be, trump being president has brought all kinds of trash into the light.
Seriously, we have so many more important things to do than to regress into the past, moving forward is what people want, not ripping people apart like it used to be, where has it directly affected anyone? It has to those who simply can't accept that it's a law now.
I'm tired of these groups of protesters who are hanging on to the negatives of our past and causing harm and hardship for others as a result.
It;s time they realized that having trump as a president gives no one special rights, just because they think trump is going to save them.
The protests against gay marriage and otherwise is over, it's behind us and taking away rights isn't going to happen.
Getting rights can be a hard thing to do, but trying to take them away is even harder, people won't take that kind of alt right crap.
It's this administrations biggest faults in trying to take away instead of giving to the people.
It's going to be their legacy and failure to lead the country, they are deplorable as republicans, it is why they can't get anything done, in their hearts enough of them know that taking isn't the way to run a country.

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Sept 23, 2017 9:40:28 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

When all that same sex marriage bullshit was going on, there was the question of transgender marriage as well.
Pretty much the gay communities offed trans and felt that including them wasn't needed and only diminished their chances.
So they offed trans at that point, did a we'll come back later and help, yah sure, trans under the bus again.
Minnesota fixed the problem by taking the gender wording out of the law and that opened it up to gay and trans, everyone happy.
So fricken simple to do, no rewritng laws, no debate, no bullshit, they just changed the wording on=f the existing law and that took care of it.
Didn't cost hardly a thing, no protests, no push back, it was done and over before anyone really knew the legislature was doing it.
To undo it, it would take the existing legislature a long time with a lot of protests.
There was a pushback from Family Planning or whatever they are called, they got maybe a dozen people in a parking lot holding signs who went home after an hour.
It isn't like it needs to be debated, it isn't like there should be any pushback on it now.
People here realize that it hasn't effected anyone for the bad, only the good, it drives business's it does a lot for the people to say yes we can.
It's a futile and immature group of people who are against people getting married.
It's people who think they can now get their very small group's agenda the way they want it to be, trump being president has brought all kinds of trash into the light.
Seriously, we have so many more important things to do than to regress into the past, moving forward is what people want, not ripping people apart like it used to be, where has it directly affected anyone? It has to those who simply can't accept that it's a law now.
I'm tired of these groups of protesters who are hanging on to the negatives of our past and causing harm and hardship for others as a result.
It;s time they realized that having trump as a president gives no one special rights, just because they think trump is going to save them.
The protests against gay marriage and otherwise is over, it's behind us and taking away rights isn't going to happen.
Getting rights can be a hard thing to do, but trying to take them away is even harder, people won't take that kind of alt right crap.
It's this administrations biggest faults in trying to take away instead of giving to the people.
It's going to be their legacy and failure to lead the country, they are deplorable as republicans, it is why they can't get anything done, in their hearts enough of them know that taking isn't the way to run a country.

I agree Ativan. Trans never was improtant to LGB rights. We are just an after thought and used for a few more numbers.

But what Jayce was pointing to was in Australia, not in the US.

How did Trump even get involved? Same sex marriage in the United States is not under threat. It was deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. States still have the right to issue or deny marriage licenses to same sex couples but they still have to respect marriage licenses issued by other states.

So exactly how did this become a Republican-Democrat thing? Alt right and Alt left are both too militaristic for me. I am a member of The Log Cabin Republicans just because I am Libertarian.

But how can you actually judge people through politics? I know some really good people that voted for trump and some really bad people that voted for hillary. I, personally am not going to give a political party that kind of power over me. Seriously if I have to identify with a particular political party then I am not identifying myself to who I really am. I damn sure don't agree with the alt right and I damn sure don't agree with the alt left either. I am me and no political party is going to ever control my thinking or identity. Bot hthe Alt left and the Alt right is going to try and use me in one cpacity or another but... I would rather people see me as who I am and not what party represents me.

I will make a prediction and you can bet odds in Vegas if you want. Trump will more than likely win in 2020 but hold off making bets until 2024 because then you can place your bet pretty much as a sure thing that the Democratic canditate will win. It is all about the odds. In modern days we had Carter for one term. Then Reagan for two, Then we had Bush for one term and Clionton for two, then we had Bush for two terms and Obama for two terms. So place a bet that Trump may be one term, I will but not too much though but in 2024 then bet a lot on the Democratic Candidate because I will.

When I go to a casino I hit the blackjack tables and I don't even count cards. It is the same with the black jack machines. There are trends. You can pretty much bet that in 2018 that the Dems will more than likely have the majority in the house and or senate. I will bet on it.

I know all of this sounds off the wall and crazy but think about it. Politics come and go both ways. Should we actually identify ourselves by politics? Do you think they really care? I will tell you with surity that they do not. Alt will always be nuts on either side. The Alt right you get what most call Nazis or National Socialism, the Alt left you pretty much get Communism. Niether one is good and sustainable for Individualism. I know it sounds off the rails but not really.

[Ativan Prescribed]

I was using the US and MN as an example of how it was taken care of for gay and trans.
To throw in a little dig at the current administration is purely my prerogative and your opinion about it is worthless.
But what does Vegas and odds and gambling and whatever else you babbled about have to do with it?
To say that it is nothing but the numbers, the odds, as if there is no control over it is an insult to ever person who votes how they think.
I know you most likely read the other stuff I had posted, but it was just the usual stuff that I like to throw out there to make you think and then think again, lol.
But to long for a post for this thread, it's off the rails, but that happens a lot since you came back.

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Sept 26, 2017 1:40:47 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

I was using the US and MN as an example of how it was taken care of for gay and trans.
To throw in a little dig at the current administration is purely my prerogative and your opinion about it is worthless.
But what does Vegas and odds and gambling and whatever else you babbled about have to do with it?
To say that it is nothing but the numbers, the odds, as if there is no control over it is an insult to ever person who votes how they think.
I know you most likely read the other stuff I had posted, but it was just the usual stuff that I like to throw out there to make you think and then think again, lol.
But to long for a post for this thread, it's off the rails, but that happens a lot since you came back.

Well then I think I need to leave then. So good luck everyone.

The Vegas odds? Well in either four years or eight we will have a president as a democrat. That is the way it always works.

So I am out and good luck everyone and good bye.