trump...

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I'm not angry and your accusations are as flawed as your logic and opinions.
Just give it up Jamie, your constant attacks just make me laugh ast you, which I'm sure others are too.
You nit pick the shit out of my posts and then accuse me of being angry, when it is you who sounds angry.
Your attempts to deflect that on me are laughable, there is no anger from me, I'm telling you again, I laugh at the absurdity of your logic and lack of real knowledge.
Nice try though at sounding like you have a grasp on reality, but for me, I'm telling you, your opinions just make me laugh all the more at you.
Give up on your flatulent attacks on me, they don't work.

[Deleted]

That is just it Ativan. I am not attacking you. I respect you. We just see the role of government two different ways. I don't want to agree with your views or even persuade you to agree with mine. I voted Clinton twice. I am independent. If it was between another Bush or another Clinton then I would not have voted at all. And I have tried to explain why somewhere in the mix about Hillary. One of my best friends growing up was on security detail when Bill Clinton was Governor and he would talk to her mom when I would spend the night and like all teens we would listen in. No wonder Bill Clinton went outside the marriage.

I would have voted Dem if I thought they were honest and didn't know how they really felt about some things that pertained specifically to me. No it isn't first hand knowing her but second hand and my friend's dad told me not to go see them. If it was Bill it would be OK but if Hillary was there she would hide it but hate me so I should not even put myself through that.

I said it here that I don't particularly care for Trump either. But I do remember what I was told by my friend's dad. It may just be here say but it stuck with me.

I really don't care how anyone votes. I am an Independent because I don't want to be tied to a particular political party. I may vote against Trump in 2020.

If you felt like I was attacking you then I truly am sorry. But in the same token I don't want to feel attacked either.

[Annys]

When projecting our own interpretations onto the other; neither are correct, and dismiss the other in favor of the self. Collectively, we're far, far more interested in the assumptions and stereotypes than we are in genuinely helping, working together, and actually solving the problems we face. It's easier to create problems where there are none. There is no Union.

edit - "Trump", and whether you support or reject him or his 'policies', is not the issue. How he got to the position he is isn't even the most problematic symptom facing us today. Even that was just the result of a more fundamenal problem that plagues us all far more deeply; the very way we address each other is not conducive to anything constructive.

We need (as persons, and as a society) to stop speaking to each other like we believe the other is an idiot, and that we know better. Is it so hard to consider that they are somebody who simply disagrees?

[Jennifer (Tink)]

Kushner used private email for White House business. Where is the lock him up now??


www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071

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I know, I read that in one of the new things for the days news, and the travel ban has changed, but maybe trump needs it to keep his ass from being kicked by the people he pisses off, they banned N Korea and Venezuela, not that there were any ISIS there, but he just pisses people off.
I can see Venezuela, people there have got a screwed up gov't, a dictator by any other name.
But the Son-in-law? Lock him up!... But what's another wrong thing to throw on the pile of trump wrong things?
It's going to be interesting to see how they worm their way out of it, one lie at a time until we find out the truth.
So it's his kid, now the son-in-law, it's a family thing, certainly not the throwback kind of thing they seem to want the country to go in.
It ain't Leave it to Beaver, is it? Nostalgia now is only one past president away, But trumps ratings have gone up, his ratings, his poll numbers.
But that could just be another fluke in an all the time in so many ways a flukey kind of presidency and president we have, he might go down in history that way.
The fake history that won't jive with his idea of what history is. We are living in the alternate reality of Kelly Conway and trump is playing it out.
And Bannon is the new Rush Limbaugh...

[Ativan Prescribed]

It was candidate Trump’s best trick. Now it’s stalling President Trump’s agenda.  

Once again trumps promises are just hot air, "Only I can fix this"...
Great 9 page plan to make to yugest tax reform bill ever in history, just the greatest ever.
Now if he can just get others to figure out how to actually do that, to the people who said they were going to do this and that for 8 yrs and never even started a plan on how to do it.
And they want it done now, because trump. Another swing and a miss...
Trump never had a plan for any of his bullshit campaign promises, he hasn't gotten anything done but piss off the world.
He has no idea how to do it, he just wants it to be the biggest and so on.
It sounds to me like he wants to take Rayguns tax reform and extend it in all the ways it screwed the people over.
Don't forget that it was Raygun who raided Social Security and said his tax plan would pay it back.
Republicans use it like a bank account, except they make withdrawals only, hiding it under the idea that it is separate, but still part of the general funds.
Most everyone wants SS expanded, healthcare single payer, think the filthy rich can easily afford to have their taxes raised.
When it was done in the past, everyone gained including the rich, a democrat did that, same as how WWII was financed, by upping the riches taxes, it's only since then that have paid so little in taxes and have the most tax breaks, trump himself thinks he's smart because he pays no taxes, so good luck America with the yugest tax reform in history, the greatest of them all.
In this state, the republican Governor left it with  6 billion in debt, so they simply raised the riches tax a couple percent and they are still deciding on what to spend the 6 billion extra they now have, A democrat Governor. The rich still make ever more and they still pay a lower percentage.
It's really simple, make everyone pay their fair share, screw this trickle down crap that has never worked in history, simply the worst of them all.
The less they pay over the years, the more in debt we are, the more they have gained and everyone else struggles because of it.
Tax reform? Make everyone pay their fair share, and that doesn't mean the rich can have a cap on how much, like they do on Social Security. If they paid their fair share, it could be expanded by twice what it is and have all the money it needs, forever, problem solved, the rich pay like everyone else.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Donald Trump's Pants on Fire claim about the estate tax, small businesses and farms 

It's Yuge! His lie that is...

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And it's not just a thing each day that the dotard does, the unhinged would be dictator has several things going against the grain of humanity at the same time.
He is like the little kid who discovers he can burn alive ants with the magnifying glass he was given. 
Pulls the wings off of flies? Kicks the three legged dog because he can?
Whats next, slapping babies who cry near him?
He is short changing the American People, we the People and filling his own pockets at the same time.
The only other president who wanted to pull the licenses of TV stations was Richard Nixon, who was about to be impeached for his crimes, so he resigned.
In today's world, there are many who don't know the history of Nixon, the bigger disgrace than even Raygun was.
He is seeking to undo all that has been good for this country in the last few decades, and bring it back to what must have been his real glory days in the 50's.
Then he was a child and could do what he wanted, just like any little rich bastard of the time.
The rich were taxed at a much higher rate than others back then, and the country was prosperous, even the higher taxed rich became richer.
Trump has played his hand, do not help the Americans in PR, do let the poor and disabled have insurance, impose tax cuts for the rich and take ever more from the poor.
His list of unjust and negative values for America is far far greater than any small and insignificant thing he has done that some in America benefit from, mainly the rich.
It is more than time for the Hater in Chief to be impeached, it is past due, his efforts to undermine the good in this country has gone too far.
He is willing to put the lives of average Americans, the disadvantaged Americans, on the line, he is playing god with peoples lives who are under his magnifying glass.

Trump now owns the broken health-care system

[Ativan Prescribed]

Trump hasn't done a thing to help this country.
Sure some things are better, but it isn't because of him, it's in spite of him.
His ego is in the way of the people of this country, a majority didn't vote for him and I doubt they have changed their minds.
Tennessee today, the white lives matter thing, the Nazi's in disguise, were outnumbered and they went home.
Their numbers are dwindling, just like trumps supporters are, they go hand in hand.
The thing about his supporters, they hang on to the hope that he will do something for them, when it is those very same people he has hurt the worst.
Now the fake news Russian thing is more than a fake thing, the indictments have begun, and I have no doubt that once they turn on trump, he will be as well.
The supporters in the whitehouse are weasels like him, if they see it greener on the other side, they will turn evidence on him in a heartbeat.
Why would they want to go down on the trump version of the titanic? They will live to be weasels another day.
It's collapsing at a faster and faster rate around the dotard, congress all but admits he's in the early stages of dementia.
They have gone around him, and he has come back with destroying peoples health insurance, how can anyone say they support him?
The republicans are on the verge of their own civil war, and to stay with trump would mean they will never make it back, not for decades.
It's a train wreck, it looks like it is in slow motion, but it's just the way it looks, it's because the damage is so 'yuge'...

[Annys]

There's so much stock put in names.

What are we doing?

[Ativan Prescribed]

Just thinking that trumps accusations that the news is fake, then all the other things they report are fake, or is it only the fake president?
When a manager is firing and replacing all kinds of people, it isn't a sign of good management, especially if they did the hiring.
Trump is replacing tillerson now, sticking ex cia in there, that won't make other countries feel at ease with the choice.
Instead of having to hear over and over the fake news excuse and watch the dotard replace person after person, why not just get a better president?
And his push on the disaster of a tax reform is benefiting him, screwing most everyone else if they don't have too much money.
Even Reagans tax plan was done over months, across the aisle, this asshole and the assholes in congress, the republicans, are doing a scorched earth before they are voted out and disappear into history, which isn't going to portray them in a good light.
It's so sad to see that the uninformed voted for the obvious lies and impossibilities of trump, they are going to pay the price now.
Unless N Korea is nuked and another world war erupts from the dotards big mouth and bad judgement, we might survive the dotard.
The world isn't in awe of trump, they are afraid of the hell he could unleash on earth, he is another leader destined to go down in history with with the likes of hitler.
The dotard is only fooling the last few supporters he has, he has effectively forced the republicans to steal what they can and sneak off into the night.
It's going to take an upheaval in political parties to straighten this political mess out, and the younger people are the ones getting screwed the most, it's up to them to form a new democracy.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Trump was on the downhill slide as the least liked president in history, but he's sped up the slide and is going for the most hated, because it's yuge...

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So it looks like my senator is going to resign because of sexual allegations.
WTF? He should hold out until trump faces his, if he has to go, trump has to go.
He won by a bigger margin than trump could ever, I don't like the allegation stuff, seems to be true, but haven't heard the whole story.
So if others in Washington are pushing him out the door, then push really hard on the pussy grabber, the ass with 16 woman he assaulted.
This was all before he was president, so his defense that the president is above the law as in can't do anything wrong just adds to his loonie toons outlook.
And those are only the ones who have come forward, he scares the rest by sticking a lawsuit in their faces, hew hides behind lawyers because they are smarter than he'll ever be, he climbs up the backs of people to get to the top, he hasn't achieve a damn thing on his own, not one damn thing, he uses and uses.
This is the guy who thinks scientists are useless, that climate change isn't real (it isn't in his world of alternate reality), yet he uses scientific principals and inventions and methods all the time, he depends on them more than the average person does, know why? Because take away everything of wealth and power from him and he can't survive, the average person can, he's the same as all the bloated rich who use others to stay where they are and that isn't being smart, it's just being assholes.
He wants to use nukes so bad he is starting a war in Asia and now is churning up the middle east so he can use the threat there, it was and is scientists who make this possible, but are those fake to him? They are in his alt reality, he just doesn't know it, he can't think that far ahead, Bozo... If he doesn't have people fetching his fast food, do you think he could possibly use the drive up menu? I doubt it, he would have to bring a team of lawyers and Ivanka and maybe Kelly Conway to tell him what he wants, because he can't remember from day to day, slurred speech has set in, a sign that hew had a stroke, he needs to go.
He honestly thinks that as president, whatever he does is excusable, because he is,.. wtf, it's time for the pussy grabber to face up to all of the charges against him instead of hiding behind a couple law firms that have as much scruples as the pussy grabber does, they are feeding this maniac the ideas that he is above the law, fuckers and fucker.
It's the last step before declaring a dictator, which is what trump has always thought he was going to be, remember when he seemed surprised that Washington didn't ask how high when he demanded they jump? How he can't get anything done because people don't want that shit of his of how the world is... he's right and you're wrong...
So all of the politicians in Washington who are accused and are guilty need to go, and full investigations done on them, trump should be first in line, not last, it starts at the top, if there is going to be a shakedown of management, that's where you start, at the top.
It just makes me sick to see this jerk declare himself to be religious when he isn't at all, panders to the other not religious, evangelicals.
He declares himself so many things he just simply isn't, the best memory, he can't remember to tie his own shoes, the best deals.. wtf, he hasn't done one that is any better than the other ones, and he's screwed some up. World leader? He shouldn't be leading anything but the clown parade and his cesspool buddies out of Washington so it can be there for the people, the country, not some bloated old assholes with family money who think that gives them the right to power and not have to pay their own way, Washington as it is, is the worst excuse we have for a government, it can't get out of it's own way.
Pussy grabber needs to go before anyone else, he needs a full on investigation and his Russian buddies are just that, he's a Russian puppet, Putins lap dog who can't tie his own shoes, forgot how.

[Trinity]

Al's stinger response was damning. A death blow to the republicans.

He comes off as having integrity and the rest dont.

The dems will have a field day in the elections going forward. All that was good has been poluted.

[Annys]

Dec 8, 2017 7:00:33 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Al's stinger response was damning. A death blow to the republicans.

He comes off as having integrity and the rest dont.

The dems will have a field day in the elections going forward. All that was good has been poluted.

 It's not a death blow! It's not even close The "red vs. blue" mentality is too strong. Doing what is right isn't what works.