Post by FaerieKim on Nov 22, 2016 1:33:53 GMT 8
I don't know where they get off policing other people's identities. They don't just police OUR identities, they police the identities of any women who want to get sexual with us.
I used to get wound up by TERFs just because of how their hateful, stereotyped language about trans women triggered my dysphoria. And their logical contradictions and hijacking of a critical approach to gender made my bullshit detector go off the scale and fill me with rage. Now I get protective on behalf of my lovely Lili. How DARE they say she isn't really lesbian? She identifies as lesbian, she is not sexually attracted to men.
How dare they speak on behalf of all lesbians and all women? Not everybody thinks like them!
They criticise trans women for living up to a "stereotype" of womanhood and then pull out every stereotype in the book for objecting that trans women are "behaving like men". What the fuck is "behaving like a man" if you don't believe in gender stereotypes?
They call me "gross" and "rapey" for having the gall to point out that not all lesbians think like them. It's rapey now to disagree with someone?
They continually say that trans women are pervy, fetishy men who want to objectify women and get into women's spaces. FYI I don't even use the women's toilets because I'd rather get funny looks than called a pervert. This may change after HRT when I discover that I'd rather get funny looks than get harrassed, beaten up or worse. But for now they've got nothing on me in that regard. I also agree that if you just can't get sexual with someone who has a penis you should be allowed to say "sorry, I don't do cock" and walk away. So again, they've got nothing on me in that regard.
Not rapey then. And so all they can argue with me on is a difference of opinion about the use of words like "woman" and "lesbian".
But why do they have to be so rude? Why do they have to constantly misgender people? Why do they have to continually call me a fetishist, a pervert etc just for disagreeing with them? Why do they have to mock trans women for their feminine appearance or behaviour? (and this coming from feminists!) Why do they have to continually mock trans women for the remnants of male appearance, speech or body language? How the fuck can anyone calling themselves a feminist be so rude as to call into question whether my girlfriend is really a woman or has female genitals? No, she's not trans but it wouldn't bother me if she was. But where the fuck do you get off objectifying her in that way?
How can they talk about abolishing gender but then try to force everyone to identify with words, labels and concepts that society has decreed belong to someone based on their biological sex? How does defining someone's destiny and life based on their biology actually square with abolishing gender? What the fuck is "radical" or "gender critical" about any of that?
How can they insist that there's no such thing as a male mind or a female mind and that gender is physical only - but then not accept that even post-op transgender people are the gender they identify as? How does that even make sense? Surely they DO believe in some kind of male mind or female mind that somehow persists after surgery. So why not accept that maybe a male mind can exist in a female body or a female mind in a male body?
They don't make sense. But worse than that, they are dangerous. They seem to deliberately talk in a way that triggers people's dysphoria. They seem to get a weird sadistic kick out of it. And they tell vulnerable trans women, who are probably already struggling with issues of self-worth or depression, that they can never seek the kinds of relationships they need with women because no lesbian will ever want to sleep with someone who owns a penis. AND THIS JUST ISN'T TRUE. But the thought of being lonely all your life, forced to be a man with a woman or else never find love or happiness again, the thought of never being accepted for who you are, or seen as who you are by potential sexual partners - this is the sort of shit that can lead people to suicide!
Fuck TERFs. Seriously, fuck them.
But you know what? I'm over it. Go and be bigoted somewhere else. I know you're wrong. I've found out you're wrong from experience now. I've found someone special and I'm happy about it. Try not to get your gigantic ego or the huge chip on your shoulder stuck in the door on your way out.
I used to get wound up by TERFs just because of how their hateful, stereotyped language about trans women triggered my dysphoria. And their logical contradictions and hijacking of a critical approach to gender made my bullshit detector go off the scale and fill me with rage. Now I get protective on behalf of my lovely Lili. How DARE they say she isn't really lesbian? She identifies as lesbian, she is not sexually attracted to men.
How dare they speak on behalf of all lesbians and all women? Not everybody thinks like them!
They criticise trans women for living up to a "stereotype" of womanhood and then pull out every stereotype in the book for objecting that trans women are "behaving like men". What the fuck is "behaving like a man" if you don't believe in gender stereotypes?
They call me "gross" and "rapey" for having the gall to point out that not all lesbians think like them. It's rapey now to disagree with someone?
They continually say that trans women are pervy, fetishy men who want to objectify women and get into women's spaces. FYI I don't even use the women's toilets because I'd rather get funny looks than called a pervert. This may change after HRT when I discover that I'd rather get funny looks than get harrassed, beaten up or worse. But for now they've got nothing on me in that regard. I also agree that if you just can't get sexual with someone who has a penis you should be allowed to say "sorry, I don't do cock" and walk away. So again, they've got nothing on me in that regard.
Not rapey then. And so all they can argue with me on is a difference of opinion about the use of words like "woman" and "lesbian".
But why do they have to be so rude? Why do they have to constantly misgender people? Why do they have to continually call me a fetishist, a pervert etc just for disagreeing with them? Why do they have to mock trans women for their feminine appearance or behaviour? (and this coming from feminists!) Why do they have to continually mock trans women for the remnants of male appearance, speech or body language? How the fuck can anyone calling themselves a feminist be so rude as to call into question whether my girlfriend is really a woman or has female genitals? No, she's not trans but it wouldn't bother me if she was. But where the fuck do you get off objectifying her in that way?
How can they talk about abolishing gender but then try to force everyone to identify with words, labels and concepts that society has decreed belong to someone based on their biological sex? How does defining someone's destiny and life based on their biology actually square with abolishing gender? What the fuck is "radical" or "gender critical" about any of that?
How can they insist that there's no such thing as a male mind or a female mind and that gender is physical only - but then not accept that even post-op transgender people are the gender they identify as? How does that even make sense? Surely they DO believe in some kind of male mind or female mind that somehow persists after surgery. So why not accept that maybe a male mind can exist in a female body or a female mind in a male body?
They don't make sense. But worse than that, they are dangerous. They seem to deliberately talk in a way that triggers people's dysphoria. They seem to get a weird sadistic kick out of it. And they tell vulnerable trans women, who are probably already struggling with issues of self-worth or depression, that they can never seek the kinds of relationships they need with women because no lesbian will ever want to sleep with someone who owns a penis. AND THIS JUST ISN'T TRUE. But the thought of being lonely all your life, forced to be a man with a woman or else never find love or happiness again, the thought of never being accepted for who you are, or seen as who you are by potential sexual partners - this is the sort of shit that can lead people to suicide!
Fuck TERFs. Seriously, fuck them.
But you know what? I'm over it. Go and be bigoted somewhere else. I know you're wrong. I've found out you're wrong from experience now. I've found someone special and I'm happy about it. Try not to get your gigantic ego or the huge chip on your shoulder stuck in the door on your way out.
