Nonbinary Hormones

[Trinity]

I am going to post, with permission, parts of a private conversation between me and my very dear friend...

I think it could benefit other nonbinaries on the forum.

Its out of context, but that's ok.

Since we have decisions in progress from a number of people here, why not benefit from where I have been and where I still am.

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Me:
E level of 35 is ridiculously low and I want transition levels, even if it tips the mental scale more to female. So we will see how that goes, I don’t want to lose the androgyne synergies either.

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They:

Take E levels with a grain, they indicate trends, nothing more definitive...
All in all, you probably need to stay in the NB area of E as well as T, just to be able to cope.

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Me

Do you know the serum ranges for NB and for low level full transition? I need to find that physical tightrope, could be around 100 or something.

I need that body transition.

T has dropped dramatically, atrophied testicles.

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They

If you feel comfortable, then you are doing just fine.
The appealing part might be the addict in you... might not.
Only you know the truth, you have to find it and stay off the edge.
Gender is more of a subconscious feeling, presentation is very much a choice of consciousness.
They can go hand in hand, but your decisions of presentation are based on realtime desires.
Gender is that nagging feeling of who you are, and yes hormones play a part in that.
Presentation is a function of gender, gender can be a function of hormones.
The balance of hormones is to adjust the mind to the physical wiring, presentation is a desire.

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me

I want to post that, its brilliant

How on earth did I cope with 700+ levels, this is 35-50 and rocking my world

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They

It's pretty much a 'matter of fact' to me, but sure, post it if you want to.
I don't know where you would, it needs to be in context, or in a new thread if you do.
It's always about finding the sweet spot in the ever changing balance of self.

There is no formula, they have tried to find one, only to end up relying on each individuals needs.
And we are all different.
If they tested the levels of cis women, and men, they might come up with a decent range.
But that range is theirs, not trans or NB.
They would need to test the levels of everyone and then have a possible range, but nothing accurate.
It is very dependent on each individual and even cis are very much wired as individuals.

So regardless, the range is going to very big and relying on how a person feels, even cis could benefit from small hormone doses...
It wouldn't surprise me at all if some Drs do prescribe hormones to help balance cis, they do for women all the time.
Imagine those overly testosterone filled males taking very LD spiro or E to balance out their temperament...
Spiro is used in prostate treatment all the time, so there are men out there who already take it, but don't connect the dots to trans.
Antidepressants are adjusting other hormones as well, adjusting T and E could do wonders for a lot of people, lol.

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They

In general, a lot of men naturally lose T as they age, and have an increase in E, why do you think they have moobs?
As women age, they lose E and have an increase in T, some of them grow mustaches...
Both groups start to fall into the range of LD, lol. Or more...
They just don't feel the need to present as such, they are wired differently, have different desires.
We all see our worlds, our existences differently.

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And now for me publically and I'll go back to my private convo.... to all of you

I walk the line between transsexual and androgyne.   Hormones play a part in this, so do social interactions.  I have lived in both worlds, both have advantages, both have disadvantages.

For those considering full transition or low dose, the power of the hormones needs to be so clearly understood, what they do, how they affect thought, presentation, everything.

I doubled my dose last night, its too much, my mind isn't quite sharp enough, but I love the feeling.  I am also feeling full mtf she right now, the balance moved dramatically in the last 12 hours.

There are dosage choices, and gender perceptions, and other choices.  Its the diamond tightrope of trans, IMO.

I may scale back on the next shot, I need the strength of the androgyne in the aggressive life I live, not to mention that I play strong male roles on stage.   But the allure of estrogen is great, my mind has complete affinity to it.

It was funny to see the color levels jump last night, my eye estrogen receptors fire and I see the range in the reds differently.  Meanwhile my body has gone completely sh'e.  But not the mind, not so much, yet there is a shift in perception.

So, think well and carefully about your hormones, dialing back is a choice, so is full transition.  Gender isn't.

Back to dancing the diamond tightrope, its your thread take it from here.

And I am sure you have figured out who my very dear friend is....my very dear one as I like to say it.

We have both saved each others lives in  the dangerous deep forest paths....its how it works.  And I am deeply greatful for that.

Lovingly

Trinity

[EchelonHunt]

Low dose T (Axiron 60mg underarms everyday) has been great for me. Still able to be in connection with my emotions and feel tears spring to my eyes when I'm emotionally moved. Whereas on Reandron 1000mg every 3 months, I would not be able to cry or get teary at all.

I kick myself for not trying low dose sooner. Heck, the three-weekly injections they started me on in the beginning, that was not even considered low-dose, it's smack right into high dose T. I think everyone could benefit from low dose to help them ease into HRT, to see if they're comfortable at low dose or if not, can proceed to regular dose.

I'm left wondering if a low-dose T would have stabilised the severe low T levels I had but that's all in the past, I no longer have ovaries anymore.

[Ativan Prescribed]

When you first start out on hormones, they should start with low dose, just to make sure it is what you want and need.
Using low dose to start gives you a chance to allow body and mind get used to hormones.

They are powerful stuff and it takes awhile to be able to ramp up to full dose safely.
And who knows, maybe low dose was the right choice for you to begin with.
I know several who have dialed back to low dose after trying full dose for a time.

I tried full dose for a short time.
Found it just wasn't right for me and went back to low dose, which turned out to be right.
But there is that first month or two that a person should start with low dose and slowly ramp up to higher doses as needed.
Hormones can be powerful changers, ones that a person may not be wired for, and high doses just mess with you like none at all does.
Moderation in all things until you know and understand the changes that are taking place.

Myself, I felt that low dose was proper, and I did try higher doses, but waited for a couple months first.
I tried higher doses after a year or so, for a couple weeks, and the differences were still the same.
Hormones need to be in balance for how a person is wired.
We're all different, so trying to follow what was right for someone else may not be right for you.
Ativan

[Trinity]

"If you feel comfortable, then you are doing just fine.
The appealing part might be the addict in you... might not.
Only you know the truth, you have to find it and stay off the edge.
Gender is more of a subconscious feeling, presentation is very much a choice of consciousness.
They can go hand in hand, but your decisions of presentation are based on realtime desires.
Gender is that nagging feeling of who you are, and yes hormones play a part in that.
Presentation is a function of gender, gender can be a function of hormones.
The balance of hormones is to adjust the mind to the physical wiring, presentation "


there is so much in this post.

I misjudged the effect of a .25cc dose increase, its a small amount, I am technically low dose right now, still.

But the brain is trying to catch up to the boost, familiar feelings here.

It pushed me right to sh'e, the bounce in the estrogen, the body feels she, the emotions are running sh'e, it flips me to the TS side of who I am.

Don't underestimate how powerful these things are.... and that's my point here.

Trinity

[Ren]

I'm in a rather female body, considering what I consider myself to be, and often wonder about what a more equal balance between T and E levels would do for me both mentally and physically.

But I also worry about what it might do to my anatomy, as I want to keep all my reproductive bits as they are and functioning.

My question is whether I should still think about it as a possibility or would hormones most likely affect me in ways I don't want them to?

[Trinity]

Oct 21, 2016 12:37:37 GMT 8 Ren said:

I'm in a rather female body, considering what I consider myself to be, and often wonder about what a more equal balance between T and E levels would do for me both mentally and physically.

But I also worry about what it might do to my anatomy, as I want to keep all my reproductive bits as they are and functioning.

My question is whether I should still think about it as a possibility or would hormones most likely affect me in ways I don't want them to?

Might take a while to get an answer on this one.   I am amab so I dont know.  And I take high dose estrogen.

Low dose is  the nb recommendation, but what that does for afab I have no idea.

Wanted to let you know you are not being ignored.

[Trinity]

LOL I just looked at the previous posts again.

Oh when will I ever learn.

Unintentional overshot, thought id be at 100, Im at 600.

Bringing them down...

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I tend to agree with what specialists say but....

I am naturally higher E and lower T. I don't know why and don't really care. Moobs? Really?  Yeah my Nips my be more to the side but I have had boobs since I was 12 and then really apparent at 13 and I only weight 115 pounds. Hell I mentioned this before but after the ninth grade I could not take PE anymore because I ended up being a distraction. I mean my boobs stick out more than my penis if you can even call it that.

HRT? I have been told that I don't really need it. I mean if it could take care of the facial hair then It would be worth the possibility of being a "basket case" But I was assured that that would not happen. My shit grows funny anyway on my face. My arm hair gets long and I do trim it but... Really don't need too. It just makes me more comfortable. It is light but I hate it when it gets long. Leg hair? OMG I know how much I have been made fun of because of the lack and lightness of such. That is a bitch when you are trying to be a guy plus I hate it anyway so I have shaved them more often than not.  I figured I would get made fun of either way even with the lightness or lack of in areas so I may as well go full on shaved and smooth.

But once an addict then always an addict. You can't trade one for the other so if you wanna' be non binary and a little bit of both then listen o your doctors. If you wanna' go full out then let them decide the dosage. Hell I take Klonipin and I have a friend or two that love it and it does absolutely nothing for me. Maybe a little but it is hard to tell. I feel the same with or without it. I would rather Xanax.

[Trinity]

Wild thang.

Born to be Trans.

New hit song by Jamie

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Oct 28, 2016 5:09:38 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Wild thang.

Born to be Trans.

New hit song by Jamie

That song has already been done. I fucking love the Sam Kennison version though. of Wild Thang

Oh You were talking about Born to Be Trans. HMMM.

LOL. Born to be a Bitch would be better though. Maybe born to be an Evil bitch with a Dick would be better. Then at the end the singer could scream "SUCK IT".

This is gonna' sound like some fucked up advice especially coming from me. But don't trade one addiction for another. OMG E feels so good yet so fucked up too.... Yeah I have been there and done that. That is why I know I would become a basket case. With my natural levels and then using Shit and even E itself, it was like being on the rag constantly instead of just the three or so days. OH MY FUCKING GOD! I have been to an endocrinologists and It seems that that my nads don't work so good. So what? No MPB, sparse hair on my legs and arms. What little I shave is the beard  underarms, legs, what little grows on my chest and down under.

[EchelonHunt]

Oct 21, 2016 12:37:37 GMT 8 Ren said:

I'm in a rather female body, considering what I consider myself to be, and often wonder about what a more equal balance between T and E levels would do for me both mentally and physically.

But I also worry about what it might do to my anatomy, as I want to keep all my reproductive bits as they are and functioning.

My question is whether I should still think about it as a possibility or would hormones most likely affect me in ways I don't want them to?

Hi Ren!

I am AFAB, on low dose T. As always with hormones, it isn't possible to pick and choose what effects we can get.

But the beauty of low dose, the changes happen at a much slower pace than the slow pace it is at full dose.

Interesting tibit: I had been on full dose T for 5-6 years. I had a hysterectomy with removal of fallopian tubes and ovaries. The specialist checked those organs and said they were healthy and if I were to have kept the parts and gone off T, everything would return to its natural function as if nothing happened.

About the fertility side of things, there have been a few transmen or transmasculine people who have gone off T and birthed children. This seems to support what I've written above.

Hope this helps!

[Ren]

Nov 1, 2016 5:25:27 GMT 8 EchelonHunt said:

I am AFAB, on low dose T. As always with hormones, it isn't possible to pick and choose what effects we can get.

But the beauty of low dose, the changes happen at a much slower pace than the slow pace it is at full dose.

Interesting tibit: I had been on full dose T for 5-6 years. I had a hysterectomy with removal of fallopian tubes and ovaries. The specialist checked those organs and said they were healthy and if I were to have kept the parts and gone off T, everything would return to its natural function as if nothing happened.

About the fertility side of things, there have been a few transmen or transmasculine people who have gone off T and birthed children. This seems to support what I've written above.

Hope this helps!

That does help, Echelon.

I tried looking into it but didn't find much solid information, which was why I was hoping that someone here would have experience.

Thanks a lot