Hormones for achieving more androgynous?

[Valerie]

So I've decided to go on research mode on hormones, and more specifically hormones to achieve a more androgynous in between masc/fem looking body. However, most of info I get from googling is mainly hormones for mtf or full on transition to a woman. I would like to find info or learn about low dose estrogen, and how to get a more androgynousfem body. And I've PMed Jacey, and they helped me with showing the estrogen/hormone thread, which I read, or more skimmed. haha Thanks you again, Jacey! :3

Now I know I'd need to have therapy for a year to get on hormones, and find a doctor. And well okays so I know estrogen would soften my skin, less body/ facial hair, move fat around, voice change, changing my thinking/ emotions, develop breasts, affect me physically/sexually downstairs, and affect my prostate. Which that I really kinda don't want to happen.

So questions I have about low dose hormones, what would be the effects or expect on low dose, would it be slow and gradual? Would being on low dose give me a more androgynous look than female? I know from skimming the hormone thread you guys were mentioning about how everyone body different.

I'm mostly just researching currently and getting info for if I decide I wanna go on hormones. Now I guess what I would want from hormones, mostly would be the soft skin, less hair, loss of muscles, more hourglass shaped body, and to just seem more androgynous/fem, but not full on fem, like if I could have an hourglass curvy body, and the V, omg that would be so awesome.

So for now currently my list pro/con list

Pro:
-soft skin
-less hairy
-hourglass curviness
-more feminine looking

Con:
-loss of erection
-downsizing of penis/testes (I like them how they are now)
-shrinkage of prostrate (does this affect my enjoyment of anal? Because I love anal like a lot)

[EchelonHunt]

Huh, you learn something new everyday. I wasn't aware that the prostrate shrinks on E.

With low-dose E, you are correct, the changes happen slow and gradual. One of the reasons people go with low-dose is the slow changes help them to adapt and get used to it over time, whereas a regular dose would bring on the changes too fast which could potentially overwhelm them.

With the loss of erection, using Viagra or Cialis can help folks on low-dose E. This person explains it better than I do haha.

In talking with my GP a few years ago, she explained that drugs like Viagra can help with the physical part of getting an erection, but a hefty part of arousal is mental and the drugs will not change that aspect. Viagra and Cialis are vasodilators rather than hormonal in nature, so they should not conflict with HRT but may not defend against physical atrophy resulting from HRT; as long as you still physically *can* get an erection, the drugs may help it happen.

I'm not sure that the shrinkage of prostrate will affect your enjoyment of anal. The anal area has a lot of sensitivity nerves in of itself, especially the rim. Don't forget, the brain is the main sex organ!

I did some research and people have said even if the prostrate shrinks, it's still pleasurable, they call it their g spot and enjoy having it stimulated. Some say they had increased sensitivity in that area, others say it becomes a mental thing, they have to "think" to orgasm.

The orgasms itself have changed too, rather than being centred in one area, it's a full-body sensation orgasm.

Fun fact: A post-op transwoman who has been on E for several years enjoys anal more than vaginal penetration because her butt has more sensation and more pleasurable than her vagina.

[Valerie]

Omg thanks you so much!! Jacey, like for real!! I definitely keep hormones as possibility in future if I decide on it more. Like losing my sexuality was my biggest fear and concern to trying hormones! But omg now it just sounds even more lovely! Holy shit! Full body orgasm! Oh goodness, I couldn't even begin to imagine! Ahhh omg when I see my counselor next week I'll talk more with him about my research and questioning hormones.

I also would to imagine maybe more small/medium size breasts. I think smaller/medium ones are cute :3 being an A cup awww cutes! I must definitely keep researching and keep options opened!

I definitely know that right now I'm more currently working on transitioning internally first, and learning to view myself more genderless and thinking in more gender neutral language, and to see myself as more "they". Then to slowly move on to transitioning into wearing more both masculine/feminine stuff, and then to being more open, and being able to speak up with my preferred pronouns, and interacting with others socially.

[Ativan Prescribed]

For low dose hormones, informed consent can shorten up the time to as soon as you find a Dr who prescribes with informed consent.
You start out on a minimum of E and maybe a T blocker like Spiro. At minimum doses, change is very slow and controlled.
As far as losing your ability, use it or lose it often applies when on very low dose.
A low dose of just E is more of a mental change than a physical change.
Going that route allows you to see if higher doses are what you want to try.
In a lot of cases, the first six months or so of changes reverses if you stop.
But everyone is different and YMMV holds true for very low dose as well.
Everyone has differing amounts of E and T in their bodies and use them differently.
E and T are just a couple of the many hormones your body uses in a unique way that is you.
So starting low and increasing as you feel it necessary is the way to go.

[Trinity]

You are correct on the outward effects of E Val.

Sex however, on high dplose, if you are a bottom, is indescribable.

I cannot comment on low dose, but the effect of even a small dose in the beginning for me, 1mg oral, fired the fat cells and all things woman, and i loved it.

Your brain has to be prewired to want E though.

My body receptors are E compatible.

T.

[Valerie]

I really have been thinking of hormones so much more now. And I'm anxiously waiting for my counseling appointment next week to talk more about my recent thoughts on hormones, and research about them. I just really wanna talk to someone more about nonbinary transitioning. It's funny I never really thought of going on hormones or transitioning at all, and now that's all I keep thinking about.

Especially, after going to trans meet up Tuesday night, I was noticing so many people, and then talking about being on hormones, and they looked so amazing, it just really made me wonder more about it, it kinda made me envy they're feminization. While I'm just super masculine body over here...

Obviously, I'd prefer to really think about it, and do research and talk about it with counselor more. It's just all that been on my mind lately is thinking of future, and more about myself, and what would make me comfortable, and just wooww... I'm so lost and trying to figure things out. I really can't wait to see my counselor I need to talk things out. I feel like he's main only person I have to talk things out about my gender.

[Ativan Prescribed]

By all means you should be talking about gender related things with your counselor.
But that's also what we do here, is relate our experiences, just like you have been doing.
I wish more of the 20 some new members in the last couple months could also share their experiences and questions, as well.
That's what this forum is about, a community of NB people, regardless of how they identify.
People come and go, but at it's core, there are so many people who have added and benefited from this forum since it's start.
Good luck with your counselor, and maybe more people will be joining in on this thread and others.
It's what makes the forum work for all of us.
Thanks for your sharing, it's always good to share your experience and ideas with us.