The Transexual Pathway Is Wrong For The Trans Community
Mar 28, 2016 1:49:00 GMT 8
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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 28, 2016 1:49:00 GMT 8
Apparently, this individual believes that “SRS may ultimately turn out to be the equivalent of a lobotomy 100-years from now."
Whatever helps you sleep at night, hon.
I can't help but think she is trying to be radical, like maybe she wakes up and thinks, "I want to be as non-mainstream as possible because fuck society and fuck the transcommunity in particular."
Bleating about how suicide rates are still higher than the rate of general population, especially post SRS... She obviously hasn't seen the scientific article that explains that gender dysphoria treatment has up to 97% success rate.
She acts as though wilfully removing ones reproductive abilities to get SRS is somehow, a bad thing.
She seems to extend an awful amount of effort and time ranting about the fact cisgender females hate her. There is a spiral of self-loathing and I can't help but think perhaps cis-females aren't inclined to warm up to her, not because she is a transwoman, but because of the self-loathing vibe she emits through her words. If that much self-loathing and hatred is dripping through her words, I can't fathom what kind of presence she inhibits in daily life.
Back to her transsexual pathway article, this stuck out to me as a sore thumb,
She seems to be placing a lot of emphasis on defining a woman by their reproductive ability (e.g. periods, ovaries, womb, the ability to fall pregnant and give birth.)
She seems to believe that SRS won't make her a "real woman" aka cisgender woman. "Real woman" is subjective anyway. There are many different types of woman and for her to assume that the cisgender woman is the ideal to strive towards... how gag-inducing.
I don't believe transgender people actively seek to reach that ideal of looking like a cisgender person, I believe they actively seek to alleviate dysphoria and to feel comfortable within their skin.
The entire sum of being a women is not to be baby factories, for crying out loud.
There is so much more to being a woman than having reproductive organs! Those parts shrivel away and become, for the most part, useless as old age approaches anyway.
I will most likely never understand what it with people’s obsession with these reproductive parts... I mean, I think about having a penis and balls all the time but I don't think about things like sperm and prostrate because it's illogical for me to think about things I cannot have and is not medically possible to replicate on my body. Perhaps it’s because Jamie has expressed she doesn’t wish to tuck her penis to hide it, doesn’t wish to be forced into being ashamed of her penis, doesn’t want to have her reproductive abilities gone forever, it sounds like she could have been content as a non-op transgender woman - perhaps she doesn’t realise that THAT is an actual thing? She's been so consumed by this ideal that to be a transgender women, you must be a MTF Transsexual in that you go the entire nine-yards (HRT, electrolysis, FFS, orchi, breast augmentation and SRS.
Because ya know, your genitals don’t validate nor invalidate your gender identity.
Back to the “Navigating Autism, PTSD, Sexual Trauma, And The Question Of: Should I Get SRS?” article,
Okay, so this used to be a common discussion in the asexual community. Many people thought that their childhood sexual abuse caused them to become asexual - this has even happened in the transgender community, some people think that childhood sexual abuse caused them to identify as male/female, dive head-first into transitioning, to get rid of the body parts that caused them disgust and served as a constant reminder of that day/night/event.
Take me for example, I had my drunken self coerced into sex I know I would not have consented to had I been sober. I identified as male before the event, I still identified as male after the event. The only thing that I got was a nice little package of feeling dirty, disgusted, violated, all of which further upset the balance between my mind and body that dysphoria had already taken a beating to. Same thing with being asexual, I was asexual before the event, still was asexual after.
Nothing changed, I just experienced high amounts of distress and emotional turmoil due to the events that happened, neither of which directly impacted my gender identity or my sexual orientation.
Things like gender identity and sexual orientation, they exist independently outside of factors such as trauma and abuse.
I know a transwomen who used to live as an androgynous man, was assaulted and decided to transition to female because she thought being female meant it would be socially acceptable for her to be feminine in all her glory, than if she continued living as a man.
Is that a wrong reason to transition? Did the abuse cause her to steer towards adopting a female identity? Will she come back in five years and regret her decision? Who knows.
The fact that Jamie Shaupe goes on to say, which by the way, is problematic as fuck,
Bypassing discussion about childhood sexual abuse and going the informed consent route because "Fuck you, I do what I want"?
*slow clap*
Bravo, you'll have nobody to blame but yourself in the future should you experience any transition regret for not confronting your past, dissecting the abuse and confirming whether your female identity is innate or whether it was a coping mechanism born from the abuse in order to eradicate and dissociate yourself from the "old you" who was a victim.
Psychiatrists have a legal responsibility to ensure you are of sound mind before giving you the OK to start transitioning. It is part of covering their ass so you don’t sue them when shit hits the fan or you wake up one morning and think, “Oh God, what have I done?!"
It's called having a soul. It couldn't hurt to try it once in a while.
(And yeah, being genderless doesn't mean I'm soulless. Or am I? Dun dun dun...)
ERRKKKKKKKK!!!
WRONG!
Transgender women don't get SRS to change their lives. They don't have SRS to "feel like a female", because newsflash, they are *gasp* already female!
Most transgender women get SRS to alleviate dysphoria!
Gosh diddly darn it! Why didn't I think of that?!
And of course, it did little to change their lives, anybody who expects SRS to be this huge life-changing event, that they'll walk out of the hospital as a new, different person... is deluding themselves.
SRS is not the cure-all, fix-all of all problems. If you feel shitty about yourself pre-SRS, you'll still feel shitty post-SRS.
Again, that is why psychiatrists make sure you are of sound mind so they know you have the mental capability to deal with the stress and obstacles of transition and psychologically strong enough to handle the rough recovery times post-surgery.
Plain and simple.
What
largely
non-existent
medical
science
in
regards
to
transgender
people?
In short, this has been both humorous and headache-inducing to read.
Highly recommend checking out, “Navigating Autism, PTSD, Sexual Trauma, And The Question Of: Should I Get SRS?” for more priceless statements, which I got most of the quotes from.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, hon.
I can't help but think she is trying to be radical, like maybe she wakes up and thinks, "I want to be as non-mainstream as possible because fuck society and fuck the transcommunity in particular."
Bleating about how suicide rates are still higher than the rate of general population, especially post SRS... She obviously hasn't seen the scientific article that explains that gender dysphoria treatment has up to 97% success rate.
[8] Green, R. and Fleming D.T. (1990) "Transsexual Surgery Follow-Up: Status in the 1990s", Annual Review of Sex Research, Ed.. J. Bancroft, volume 1, 1990, pages 163 - 174. Of the 130 F.T.M.s reported in the study, 97% of the outcomes were considered to be satisfactory; of the 220 M.T.F.s 87% of the outcomes were considered to be satisfactory. See also Pfafflin, F. & Junge, A. (1992) Geschlechtumwandlung Schattauer, Stuttgart / New York for en extensive survey on outcome.
She acts as though wilfully removing ones reproductive abilities to get SRS is somehow, a bad thing.
She seems to extend an awful amount of effort and time ranting about the fact cisgender females hate her. There is a spiral of self-loathing and I can't help but think perhaps cis-females aren't inclined to warm up to her, not because she is a transwoman, but because of the self-loathing vibe she emits through her words. If that much self-loathing and hatred is dripping through her words, I can't fathom what kind of presence she inhibits in daily life.
Back to her transsexual pathway article, this stuck out to me as a sore thumb,
But for me the biggest and most taboo discussion subject is and always has been that I refuse to believe that having genital surgery is going to do anything to make me into the equivalent of a cisgender female. No matter how hard I try, I can’t make myself believe it. So why would I get it? Surgically removing my penis and scrotum and using the sum of their parts to construct a vagina doesn’t make me the equal of, or the equivalent of a cisgender female. I don’t and won’t have periods, I don’t have a female pelvis, I don’t have ovaries and a womb, I can’t bear children, and afterwards I would be forever morally burdened to tell men that my vagina used to be just that, a penis.
She seems to be placing a lot of emphasis on defining a woman by their reproductive ability (e.g. periods, ovaries, womb, the ability to fall pregnant and give birth.)
She seems to believe that SRS won't make her a "real woman" aka cisgender woman. "Real woman" is subjective anyway. There are many different types of woman and for her to assume that the cisgender woman is the ideal to strive towards... how gag-inducing.
I don't believe transgender people actively seek to reach that ideal of looking like a cisgender person, I believe they actively seek to alleviate dysphoria and to feel comfortable within their skin.
The entire sum of being a women is not to be baby factories, for crying out loud.
There is so much more to being a woman than having reproductive organs! Those parts shrivel away and become, for the most part, useless as old age approaches anyway.
I will most likely never understand what it with people’s obsession with these reproductive parts... I mean, I think about having a penis and balls all the time but I don't think about things like sperm and prostrate because it's illogical for me to think about things I cannot have and is not medically possible to replicate on my body. Perhaps it’s because Jamie has expressed she doesn’t wish to tuck her penis to hide it, doesn’t wish to be forced into being ashamed of her penis, doesn’t want to have her reproductive abilities gone forever, it sounds like she could have been content as a non-op transgender woman - perhaps she doesn’t realise that THAT is an actual thing? She's been so consumed by this ideal that to be a transgender women, you must be a MTF Transsexual in that you go the entire nine-yards (HRT, electrolysis, FFS, orchi, breast augmentation and SRS.
Because ya know, your genitals don’t validate nor invalidate your gender identity.
Back to the “Navigating Autism, PTSD, Sexual Trauma, And The Question Of: Should I Get SRS?” article,
Was my childhood sexual abuse by a male relative causing me to think that I am a female?
Okay, so this used to be a common discussion in the asexual community. Many people thought that their childhood sexual abuse caused them to become asexual - this has even happened in the transgender community, some people think that childhood sexual abuse caused them to identify as male/female, dive head-first into transitioning, to get rid of the body parts that caused them disgust and served as a constant reminder of that day/night/event.
Take me for example, I had my drunken self coerced into sex I know I would not have consented to had I been sober. I identified as male before the event, I still identified as male after the event. The only thing that I got was a nice little package of feeling dirty, disgusted, violated, all of which further upset the balance between my mind and body that dysphoria had already taken a beating to. Same thing with being asexual, I was asexual before the event, still was asexual after.
Nothing changed, I just experienced high amounts of distress and emotional turmoil due to the events that happened, neither of which directly impacted my gender identity or my sexual orientation.
Things like gender identity and sexual orientation, they exist independently outside of factors such as trauma and abuse.
I know a transwomen who used to live as an androgynous man, was assaulted and decided to transition to female because she thought being female meant it would be socially acceptable for her to be feminine in all her glory, than if she continued living as a man.
Is that a wrong reason to transition? Did the abuse cause her to steer towards adopting a female identity? Will she come back in five years and regret her decision? Who knows.
The fact that Jamie Shaupe goes on to say, which by the way, is problematic as fuck,
Oddly enough, no one in the mental health community had ever told me that they would use sexual trauma as a discriminator in the decision-making process to decide who should be allowed to transition. And, a psychiatrist and LCSW (Licensed Clinical Social Worker) did in fact try to do just that to stop me from transitioning, but I was able to circumvent their actions and transition anyway because of informed consent with a primary care doctor.
Bypassing discussion about childhood sexual abuse and going the informed consent route because "Fuck you, I do what I want"?
*slow clap*
Bravo, you'll have nobody to blame but yourself in the future should you experience any transition regret for not confronting your past, dissecting the abuse and confirming whether your female identity is innate or whether it was a coping mechanism born from the abuse in order to eradicate and dissociate yourself from the "old you" who was a victim.
Psychiatrists have a legal responsibility to ensure you are of sound mind before giving you the OK to start transitioning. It is part of covering their ass so you don’t sue them when shit hits the fan or you wake up one morning and think, “Oh God, what have I done?!"
how can someone even conclude what gender they actually are?
It's called having a soul. It couldn't hurt to try it once in a while.
(And yeah, being genderless doesn't mean I'm soulless. Or am I? Dun dun dun...)
I’ve sat in too many support group meetings and read too much Internet material in which transgender women that have stated SRS and claimed that did little to change their lives. And that leaves me asking the question: are transgender women having SRS to “feel like a female?” The Janet Mock video says there’s no such thing as “feeling like a female.”
ERRKKKKKKKK!!!
WRONG!
Transgender women don't get SRS to change their lives. They don't have SRS to "feel like a female", because newsflash, they are *gasp* already female!
Most transgender women get SRS to alleviate dysphoria!
Gosh diddly darn it! Why didn't I think of that?!
And of course, it did little to change their lives, anybody who expects SRS to be this huge life-changing event, that they'll walk out of the hospital as a new, different person... is deluding themselves.
SRS is not the cure-all, fix-all of all problems. If you feel shitty about yourself pre-SRS, you'll still feel shitty post-SRS.
Again, that is why psychiatrists make sure you are of sound mind so they know you have the mental capability to deal with the stress and obstacles of transition and psychologically strong enough to handle the rough recovery times post-surgery.
Plain and simple.
Sadly, in the context of largely non-existent medical science in regards to transgender people, and how little is still known about being transgender, and in addition to its ability to destroy reproductive capabilities: SRS may ultimately turn out to be the equivalent of a lobotomy 100-years from now.
What
largely
non-existent
medical
science
in
regards
to
transgender
people?
In short, this has been both humorous and headache-inducing to read.
Highly recommend checking out, “Navigating Autism, PTSD, Sexual Trauma, And The Question Of: Should I Get SRS?” for more priceless statements, which I got most of the quotes from.
