Can tragedy bring us together?

[Laura J]

Can Tragedy bring us together?  
This was a message written by Leelah Acorns pastor, about her death.  

article here.

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Feb 15, 2015 22:53:28 GMT 8 Laura J said:

Can Tragedy bring us together?  
This was a message written by Leelah Acorns pastor, about her death.  

article here.

Yes tragedy will tend to draw people together for a short while. A feeling of kinship and love for one another and so on. Look at 9/11 we were all Americans. The cowboys the hippies, the druggies the conservatives the libertarians the liberals, the gays the lesbians the trans. In this country we were all Americans because so many people died and we understood that everyone of these across the spectrum died in The World Trade Centers. It could have happened where we all worked at. But sometimes attention spans are short and then hate and discontent and discrimination seems to come back eventually. God forbid another tragedy in any country of that magnitude because I would rather face hate and discrimination and even my own demise before another 3000 some odd innocent people just going to work like they did everyday lose their lives.

But yeah tragedy seems to bring us together but I would rather face all the negatives than have a tragedy that affects so many like the Moore OK tornado in which you know there was some from the LGBT community lost their lives. Not to mention those poor children at that one school. I would rather suffer my own hell than have so many others suffer that kind of hell. I will gladly stand outside the lines and face all the hate than ever have another tragedy anywhere, whether it be war, storms or anything else.

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I can appreciate what the man is saying. There are some very good things in this article. E.g., genuine emotion instead of political correctness.

But if he's talking about a wall between cisgender society and the LGBT community, we're not the ones who built it. Now I personally don't believe in being a loud-mouth militant just for the sake of being one. I'm the first to emphasize that there are good people in the cis community, people that we can win over, people that we are winning over. There are lots of beautiful people there.

But there are some nasty ones, too, and they did in fact kill Leelah. Their beliefs did in fact kill Leelah. There's no getting around that. We are right to be angry. Let their side acknowledge that. To suggest that both sides are in some way equally responsible for the rift between us is a worrying proposition from my point of view.

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The walls that are nothing more than black lines on a map cause far more death and destruction by the politicians and those who use those lines.
From a world view, there are more people dying everyday from war, starvation, and disease than die in this country each year.
We have our little battles, to be sure.
But what is going on in the bigger view is the war that has never ended over those black lines, and the people behind some of them who are all but forgotten.
Each unnecessary death is a tragedy, but the shear number of them around the world everyday is staggering beyond comprehension.

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I won't argue with you here, Julie. As I said, I think there are some good things in this article. And you're making some very good points in your post here. All I'm pointing out is how he's bringing together in one sentence certain Christian beliefs and the LGBT community. Now I think people could find different things in this sentence. I'm just pointing out something I don't like--but others may not see there what I believe I see. On the whole I have no real quarrel with what the man is saying--and what he's saying is certainly a lot better than what some people are saying.

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Mar 5, 2015 2:34:52 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

The walls that are nothing more than black lines on a map cause far more death and destruction by the politicians and those who use those lines.
From a world view, there are more people dying everyday from war, starvation, and disease than die in this country each year.
We have our little battles, to be sure.
But what is going on in the bigger view is the war that has never ended over those black lines, and the people behind some of them who are all but forgotten.
Each unnecessary death is a tragedy, but the shear number of them around the world everyday is staggering beyond comprehension.

Little black lines seem to be one big separation of humans. People die over little black lines on a map all the time. It's kind of like two fleas fighting over who owns the dog the live on. :rolleyes:A whole lot of wasted lives over what? But welcome to the human race.

But what really sux is that it don't have to be over them little black lines and perceived borders but beliefs over something that can't even be proven over a shadow of a doubt. Ok so I'm not a big fan of Pres. Obama but when he talked about the Holy Crusades. Yeah that was wrong. But that is in the past and none of us to day are responsible for the Holy Crusades. But executing people for something that happened in the past is just as bad because both were innocent. Two wrongs will never make a right and a thousand wrongs even will never make a right. Personally I think politicians should have duels, then they make think twice when it come to their own mortality. Hell that would put the two responsible parties face to face instead of sending others to die for their own cause or beliefs.

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More people die from starvation and lack of decent medical treatment than die in the wars going on.
The trillions of dollars wasted on war would easily eradicate such things, that could easily end the perceived need for wars.
Any religious belief that tells you to kill someone else isn't religion, it's a death cult.
We have the death cults of religious war in this country just as it is in so many other countries, they all have them.
Priorities,.. We don't need to kill people to survive anymore, we have more than enough technology for everyone to survive.
We have for decades.
There's just not enough easy money in it for the rich war mongers who are heavily invested in the military complex's, the business of killing.
So long as there is money to be made by sending others off to kill others in the name of anything, even the small prejudices that exist, will still flourish.
It's the ancient mentality that people cling to.
Instead of working out the ways to stop it, they work out the ways to perpetuate it for their own profits.
Look at the cost of our own F-35 fighter planes that have now cost something like three times what they had planned on and they still don't fly.
But they will keep on sinking our tax dollars into them, because we can sell way more than we plan of using, to those other countries, to continue the wars.
We won't get our money back, but the investors in the companies who build the parts will make billions in profits, they already have.
They aren't making them for free, people are making money off of a war machine that doesn't even work.
We could have spent that money to take everyone out of poverty who wants to, to educate every person who wants to.
And still cut our taxes at the same time.
Still rebuild the infrastructure of this country and size down the govt run by the rich who spend your money to make more for themselves.
The people who want our government to stay out of our business are the ones spending and making killing machines.
That's why they want the govt to stay out of it, it's their weapons and that way of life that they are afraid a real govt will take away from them.
Because that's what a real govt is for, it's for the people, not the war mongers who tell you those black lines and the walls are needed.
The religions of death and war, the biggest religions in the world and that's what they are telling you, that the govt needs to stay out of their war business.
The truth is right in front of people and they deny that they can even see it because of the blindness of their prejudices and the reasons they keep them.
The human race doesn't want any of this, it wants to simply live, exist as best it can.
It never will as long as people have beliefs that tell them others should die so they can live a better life.
It's a built in belief system that favors the rich. It's not the human race, it's the lies that they believe in, the lies that are told to them.
It's always been the lies of the rich and powerful and people still believe in that system.
So they starve and die of disease and when that isn't enough, they declare yet another kind of religious war, just to make sure.
To believe that any of it is righteous in any way, is to believe in the same old lies, have the same old slave mentality to the rich.
The thing that is wrong with all countries are their political systems, they are run by the same people who tell the same lies, all the time.
It is the root cause and reason that smaller prejudices remain as well.
So long as people cater to the rich and their wars that keep them in power, there is always room for the smaller prejudices to grow and remain.
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