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Post by EchelonHunt on Dec 16, 2015 17:47:05 GMT 8
Do you do any voice training/modification? To have a feminine voice, androgynous/gender neutral or masculine voice? Or do you prefer your own voice without any training or modification? I would love to practise my voice to be read as female. Oddly, it's only when I pretend to be a Japanese school girl talking Japanese that it sounds most female to my ears. Just gotta learn to speak that voice in English! When I am in the female restrooms, I just smile, stay mute and do a quiet giggle because that's as far as I can do
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Post by Trinity on Dec 16, 2015 18:48:54 GMT 8
It changes naturally with presentations but when content becomes strong i drop the act. Since i am out why try to pass.... However, full out it goes up a fifth and intonation changes and it gets whispery so i dont scare the ladies in their bathroom. I hate gendered bathrooms.
These last times full out have been weird. Its not a life i want.
Ativan does not change thier voice at all. Nuance and content changes though, emotional coloring.
Mine shifts to more feminine and warm when that part speaks.
Interesting question.
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Post by kdkorz10211 on Dec 17, 2015 10:01:49 GMT 8
I don't do anything to modulate my voice. I used to mumble a lot, going way back before I knew, as a way to lower my voice, but now T has started to drop my voice and I can just talk naturally. It's awesome.
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Post by Trinity on Dec 17, 2015 20:48:06 GMT 8
Aisla you've heard my voice.
What do you hear dear one? then and now... been a while though.
Half a world away. Till you come to NY to visit...
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Post by Ayla on Dec 18, 2015 4:16:57 GMT 8
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Random thoughts only as I find this is a difficult question to answer, but I will give it a go. For want of a better metric I will comment on your 'voice' using M,A and F:
Mechanical level - ie sound (pitch, intonation, pace & melody) - (M, A, A, A)
Content level - ie perspective, empathy/connection - F, F
When we talk I don't hear or focus on the mechanical aspects of your voice as I am tuned into or focus on the content, the intent, the interaction, the engagement/dispassion etc. Hence I hear/feel your content rather than the mechanics. Given this I hear you - your 'voice', your spirit, your message, your presence and indeed how you occur to me, as A/F
(Caveat - of course conversation is contextual and most of our conversation has been mutual support and concern for the forum and for each other so this may also help explain my reading of your 'voice')
I am not sure as to whether this is helpful or not, as I find that many cis F in a business context, and indeed some socially, have a masculine 'voice' and are determinedly and deliberately so. It is only their presentation or secondary physical aspects that 'say' F or A. This causes me some confusion as to their authenticity and who/where they are and the messages (verbal and non verbal) that they wish to send. In business I assume that they are trying to mimic the 'voice' of power ie more powerful males but it may be more than this
We need to talk!
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Post by Kira on Dec 18, 2015 6:21:59 GMT 8
My English female voice is very good indeed.
My Italian is also pretty good, my Dutch sounds more male and my Japanese is a bit more varied.
There are important differences between the languages that you pick you up that lend themselves to femininisation that you can use.
English is my main language and is fairly neutral in how easy it is to feminise. My success here is due to understanding and practical.
My Dutch is pretty fluent, but they have a lot of glottal sounds and I need to practice them as glottal sounds expose the laryngeal size through harmonics and the lowering of the crycothyroid muscles and structures to engage the muscles at the back of the throat.
Italian. I speak... Ok. I find it easier to sound feminine in Italian as it is spoke mostly from the front of the mouth.
Japanese is varied mostly due to the different vocal style of speech between men and women and my lack of practice, as I only speak a bit.
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Post by Trinity on Dec 18, 2015 6:42:39 GMT 8
T Random thoughts only as I find this is a difficult question to answer, but I will give it a go. For want of a better metric I will comment on your 'voice' using M,A and F: Mechanical level - ie sound (pitch, intonation, pace & melody) - (M, A, A, A) Content level - ie perspective, empathy/connection - F, F When we talk I don't hear or focus on the mechanical aspects of your voice as I am tuned into or focus on the content, the intent, the interaction, the engagement/dispassion etc. Hence I hear/feel your content rather than the mechanics. Given this I hear you - your 'voice', your spirit, your message, your presence and indeed how you occur to me, as A/F (Caveat - of course conversation is contextual and most of our conversation has been mutual support and concern for the forum and for each other so this may also help explain my reading of your 'voice') I am not sure as to whether this is helpful or not, as I find that many cis F in a business context, and indeed some socially, have a masculine 'voice' and are determinedly and deliberately so. It is only their presentation or secondary physical aspects that 'say' F or A. This causes me some confusion as to their authenticity and who/where they are and the messages (verbal and non verbal) that they wish to send. In business I assume that they are trying to mimic the 'voice' of power ie more powerful males but it may be more than this We need to talk! Yes darling we sure do.
I still hear the shifting between male warrior protector in me and female emotional modes, if those are gendered attributes.
I see the difference between me and the women around me in content, seriousness, vs the male content.
I found myself shifting in the two power meetings we had today. One was a sale for over a mill, the boss asked my opinion about setting dollars, he shocked me by going in with my number.
They came to terms and closed the deal a half hour later, it worked out exceptionally well.
In the earlier meeting, there was no hint of female around me, it was high stakes and high power. My wife was at home praying it in.
Talking with our dear friend Ativan I was in warrior mode. I have no idea how I read. Most likely andro and female at the call close, which is typical with them.
Its nonbinary isn't it. And I find the entire thing very interesting indeed. Because it is truth driven, not posturing.
I'm still in warrior mode and need to stand down. This is male voiced at the moment. When my hair comes down, you will see a sharp shift as the darlings and dear ones launch, to the ones I love, I use the terms endearingly, but there are nuances also of closeness there.
I don't take those words lightly.
Thank you dear one for the feedback. Its been a wild day today, and a remarkable one. The forum should take joy in this, it is a collective victory, for without the support of us all, none of it would have come to pass and reality.
Love to all here. For real.
Trinity
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Post by Ayla on Dec 18, 2015 7:16:17 GMT 8
So, so happy for you, for Ativan, for us all. Words fail me. The Universe has smiled and is smiling on us.
Please say hi to Ativan and pass on my love
safe travels
Aisla
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Post by Mingma on Dec 18, 2015 9:42:02 GMT 8
Ativan is well? That is good news! The universe is indeed beneficent.
I am so very impressed with this collection of polyglots. I barely speak English much less Japanese, or Dutch. I'm moving to Italy in a couple of years to study language and art, so there may be hope for me but probably not much.
I did some voice training a few years ago, but my voice has always been androgynous to feminine so it made little difference. I believe in song and if I hear a feminine song in my heart, my inflection, rhythm and meter are feminine and I am so perceived both on the phone and in life. If my presence is more to the masculine, so I am perceived.
I think my perception of myself directs how I present and how I am received every bit as much as where on the scale I land. Usually my speaking voice centers at A below middle C and may drift a bit lower if I'm tired or annoyed.
Again good news
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Post by ~k×tten on Sept 26, 2018 13:05:52 GMT 8
I tried to do my own voice training, it didn't really work tho~ so I just use my normal voice I guess I mostly talk to the same few people who already have their own ideas of my gender. but I guess my voice must be neutral enough that people who think Im a girl dont raise an eyebrow, and people who think Im a guy dont give it a second thought. The new people I meet who dont see me physically will think Im a guy. Even when I tried to raise my voice, I didnt get any different reaction. I believe in song and if I hear a feminine song in my heart, my inflection, rhythm and meter are feminine and I am so perceived both on the phone and in life. If my presence is more to the masculine, so I am perceived Yea I find this mostly true for me ^.^ As in I think I sound more feminine if I've been listening to something feminine and vice versa. Idk if my voice really actually changed lol. Just for fun I listened to a really highpitched Japanese song and tried to sing along but failed to reach the pitch miserably XD
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Post by kid on Oct 2, 2022 5:09:01 GMT 8
I have been trying to do my own voice training for a few years now. Trying to make it more masculine. It has gotten a lot deeper, I am very happy about this. But, whenever I'm stressed or meet somebody new and want to make a good impression I come back to my AFAB voice, it's infuriating. Now I have beautiful double-bass lows in my voice when I want to. I love to use this especially when I sing. I keep training sporadically.
I think my voice sounds better in English and Russian than in French. I worry less about "what gender is sounds like", I just think it sounds like me and it's good. French is my mothertongue and I live in France so the gender pressure is only on this one I guess.
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