Genetic Link to Gender Identity

[Ayla]

Study In Transsexuals: Significant Genetic Link To Gender Identity
Source: Prince Henry's Institute, Monash University
Author: Lauren Hare, Pascal Bernard, Francisco J. Sanchez, Paul N. Baird, Eric Vilain, Trudy Kennedy and Vincent R. Harley
Posted: Oct 31st, 2008

"In the largest ever genetic study of male to female transsexuals Australian researchers have found a significant genetic link between gender identity and a gene involved in testosterone action."

Further work is due to be published which provides additional evidence of genetic links

Aisla

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Jan 9, 2015 5:08:57 GMT 8 Ayla said:

Study In Transsexuals: Significant Genetic Link To Gender Identity
Source: Prince Henry's Institute, Monash University
Author: Lauren Hare, Pascal Bernard, Francisco J. Sanchez, Paul N. Baird, Eric Vilain, Trudy Kennedy and Vincent R. Harley
Posted: Oct 31st, 2008

"In the largest ever genetic study of male to female transsexuals Australian researchers have found a significant genetic link between gender identity and a gene involved in testosterone action."

Further work is due to be published which provides additional evidence of genetic links

Aisla

My endo once again said he has no doubt about this, and that my brain receptors are designed for estrogen.

[Patty]

That is very interesting I wonder if there is any information on the further work that is mentioned as this is now 6 years later. I just accepted the fact that I am what I am and am going on my merry way and am in general a whole lot happier than I was before.

[Whisper]

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322308010871
Here is some of the original data. There are a few charts if you scroll down.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027858460900222X

Before you invest time into with was said in the 08 study, a later study found earlier findings unproven. And it was a very large study. A study in 09.

[Whisper]

Jan 9, 2015 13:04:59 GMT 8 Patty said:

That is very interesting I wonder if there is any information on the further work that is mentioned as this is now 6 years later. I just accepted the fact that I am what I am and am going on my merry way and am in general a whole lot happier than I was before.

Yes there is. March 2014
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12398/abstract

Then this study says the odds are 2×likely for long AR or CYP19 length. Though it doesnt say 100% transsexualism.

If you look at the chart, there are transsexuals with different lengths pretty equally spread out. Though when they are long, there are less cisgender, though there still are some. Thats why though they say likely, its not proven.

Not all transsexuals have long receptor repeaters, though many long repeaters are transsexuals.

Both of the last post i made references to and links to have charts to compare results.

[Ayla]

I had the good fortune to listen to a presentation at ANZPATH in Adelaide in October from the Professor at Monash who wrote the paper and has continued to research in this area. As I understand it while they are convinced that there are pretty clear genetic links to gender identity the nature of the research is that it deals with correlation rather than causality ie it is statistically sound but cannot be proved to be a cause of gender identity.

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Did we really need a study to tell us this?  But seriously though this is a good thing.

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Jan 9, 2015 18:36:55 GMT 8 Ayla said:

I had the good fortune to listen to a presentation at ANZPATH in Adelaide in October from the Professor at Monash who wrote the paper and has continued to research in this area. As I understand it while they are convinced that there are pretty clear genetic links to gender identity the nature of the research is that it deals with correlation rather than causality ie it is statistically sound but cannot be proved to be a cause of gender identity.

That is what worries me. They are convinced but not really. This could be the reason but maybe not. Kind of sorta' but not really. Kind of like they are waiting to delve deeper or make more hypotheses on the subject until they find out how their scientific peers or society reacts to the study. This way they are non committed in their theories. One thing about it though is there is a reason behind it whether it is physical, metaphysical, psychological (not an illness though), synthetic causes like the use of DES or the chemicals we use to feed our food whether animal or vegetable. Even some type of undiscovered energy waves coming from outer space. BTW, that was a joke maybe. But there is a reason for it. But can society and our scientists of today accept a reason for it?

And then again it may just be who we are as unique individuals. We've always been here throughout the history of the world and cultures, sometimes accepted and sometimes not. Maybe there is no reason for it other than just being a part of who we are. Maybe it's just a third and fourth gender with variances. Personally I believe it has to do with psychology and genetics and as uncontrollable as the formation of personalities and having green or blue or brown eyes. But there are smarter people than me that are trying to figure it out, if society lets them. Regardless it seems like the whole gender issue deal is becoming more and more embedded in society's consciousness. Changes in mass perceptions are slow though.

I often wonder what would be if the world were as open to MTFs and FTMs as they were F and M. If we could be who we are as we are and identify without negative repercussions from society, would GID be so overwhelming? I mean MTFs and FTMs can reproduce and raise a family just like the F and M of our world. There are women with outies and men with innies, two more genders. Those of you that know me know I don't suffer severely from GID but when I do it's bad and it always seems to be society induced. So I really can't answer for everyone and only for myself but if I were totally free to be who I am in society without negative repercussions or thoughts and could live how I wanted to live and be respected as a third or fourth gender, I would probably never suffer any bouts of GID. But that's just me and I know some people suffer hellacious GID. But I just wonder if GID is more induced from society and societal norms and a perception of female and male according to society. Just some thoughts on the subject.

[Luna]

It is the role of science to discover the how of how something happens. Does it really matter for a person who identifies as trans? Probably not.

Whether or not it really affects management is another matter altogether, but for many people, knowing the how, or reason, the way they are, is a truly liberating experience.