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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jul 23, 2020 9:20:08 GMT 8
It becomes easier once you have the perceptions down about what exactly gender is and how it is separate from your sex, they are not the same thing.
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Post by Pinou on Jul 24, 2020 5:15:03 GMT 8
My way of walking, talking, and posture changes more to match my presentation than how I'm flipped mentally. It maybe comes more naturally if that presentation matches how I'm feeling at that moment, but presenting how I'm feeling isn't all that practical.
That's not really changed since I started transitioning. My overall perception of gender has changed quite a lot though, and is a lot less fluid.
I see, well we're all different! How did your perception of gender changed?
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Post by Pinou on Jul 24, 2020 5:32:13 GMT 8
Ahh, but I don't ever feel like my "biological" gender, if that has to do with having the genitalia. And it's not clear what biological basis that is not so obvious goes into being trans or nonbinary. I have acute physical gender dysphoria, it is my mind that is nonbinary. The body is quite binary trans, but just because it is easy to put clothes over what is obviously now physically female within the limits of what HRT can do, and to therefore present masculine and even interact in a traditionally male kind of way (learned behavior btw) - this does not change my core gender identity on a physical level. So I transitioned because I had to, it was either transition, go insane, or off myself. So I risked everything and transitioned. I am a professional actor, so it is easy to fully assimilate a role, using parts of myself to enhance it. However at the core of who I am, I know myself. Gender is not the body, and Ativan has more wisdom than I about that, gender is more whole. Physical gender is another thing, and I suppose my physical gender would be binary trans. I'd do the final operation if I could, life did not give me that card to play. I have no male sexuality at all. Not anymore, and its questionable from the beginning, I disassociated from my penis decades ago mentally. Hope that helps Yes, I understand now! English is not my first language, so that can sometimes stop me a bit What I think I understand is that you will sometimes present as male, not because you are one, but because it's just easier like this is society. Your mind is enby, but your body has to be female, it's just who you are. Tell me if I got it right! I understand this feeling, since in my mind I'm just me, but I'm all right with my body being female, I even actually prefer that. Still I don't want to always look female, I want to look androgyne, or even masculine. I'm feeling so much better since I realised that, and I realy want to present as I feel. Of course, there's a difference between the body and the gender, but for me it's important to look a certain way in order to fully feel like myself
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Post by Leena on Jul 24, 2020 7:18:21 GMT 8
I see, well we're all different! How did your perception of gender changed? My overall perception of gender was very binary when I started. I thought I was a closeted binary trans woman for as long as I had known. I still am personally pretty close to that when I am flipped feminine. I'm not entirely binary when I'm flipped masculine though, and I never really was. I just played a certain character that was slightly androgynous in a way that was somewhat accepted by society. I still think of myself as that character at times, I played him so long, and had many adventures and met so many people as him.
How I perceive others is the other main thing that changed. Even if I ultimately end up just being a binary trans woman, I'm happy to have met so many wonderful nonbinary people here and elsewhere, and don't want to see them pushed into either binary gender.
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Post by Pinou on Jul 24, 2020 7:26:59 GMT 8
My overall perception of gender was very binary when I started. I thought I was a closeted binary trans woman for as long as I had known. I still am personally pretty close to that when I am flipped feminine. I'm not entirely binary when I'm flipped masculine though, and I never really was. I just played a certain character that was slightly androgynous in a way that was somewhat accepted by society. I still think of myself as that character at times, I played him so long, and had many adventures and met so many people as him.
How I perceive others is the other main thing that changed. Even if I ultimately end up just being a binary trans woman, I'm happy to have met so many wonderful nonbinary people here and elsewhere, and don't want to see them pushed into either binary gender.
Okay! So, being flipped masculine is a part of you, not only a character you play to fit in!
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Post by Trinity on Jul 24, 2020 8:48:12 GMT 8
Ahh, but I don't ever feel like my "biological" gender, if that has to do with having the genitalia. And it's not clear what biological basis that is not so obvious goes into being trans or nonbinary. I have acute physical gender dysphoria, it is my mind that is nonbinary. The body is quite binary trans, but just because it is easy to put clothes over what is obviously now physically female within the limits of what HRT can do, and to therefore present masculine and even interact in a traditionally male kind of way (learned behavior btw) - this does not change my core gender identity on a physical level. So I transitioned because I had to, it was either transition, go insane, or off myself. So I risked everything and transitioned. I am a professional actor, so it is easy to fully assimilate a role, using parts of myself to enhance it. However at the core of who I am, I know myself. Gender is not the body, and Ativan has more wisdom than I about that, gender is more whole. Physical gender is another thing, and I suppose my physical gender would be binary trans. I'd do the final operation if I could, life did not give me that card to play. I have no male sexuality at all. Not anymore, and its questionable from the beginning, I disassociated from my penis decades ago mentally. Hope that helps Yes, I understand now! English is not my first language, so that can sometimes stop me a bit What I think I understand is that you will sometimes present as male, not because you are one, but because it's just easier like this is society. Your mind is enby, but your body has to be female, it's just who you are. Tell me if I got it right!I understand this feeling, since in my mind I'm just me, but I'm all right with my body being female, I even actually prefer that. Still I don't want to always look female, I want to look androgyne, or even masculine. I'm feeling so much better since I realised that, and I realy want to present as I feel. Of course, there's a difference between the body and the gender, but for me it's important to look a certain way in order to fully feel like myself You said it better than I could
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Post by Leena on Jul 24, 2020 9:08:39 GMT 8
Okay! So, being flipped masculine is a part of you, not only a character you play to fit in! It also feels a lot different now that I don't really play that character anymore. I may sometimes still feel the need to play some generic guy in some situations, but I'm not really playing him, at least the way I was playing him before, and I don't really want to.
Also though, it's kind of distressing for me to flip personally. It isn't for some people. Until earlier this year, I went back and forth presentation wise quite often for a number of years, and it really just doesn't work for me. It was forced by various things in life, and I didn't really like living like that.
Since social distancing became a thing, I haven't felt the need to play a guy much other than a handful of times, and haven't felt the desire to whatsoever. I may feel different about this if it's ever really safe to socialize like it used to be.
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