The Prince and the Dressmaker might become a movie!

[Becky]

Hi Everyone!

Check out this article about the exceptional songwriting team of Lopez and Anderson-Lopez helping to bring a genderqueer story to life!  They also created Avenue Q and Frozen, so you can expect great things.  I just hope they can find a major studio wiling to release this story to the big screens.

"The Prince and the Dressmaker" is a graphic novel about a genderfluid prince in Paris who hires a seamstress to make amazing dresses for them.  I couldn't put the book down, both because of the story and because of the sumptuous pictures of AMAZING dresses.

I recommend the book to everyone, and look forward (hopefully) to the movie.  Just be prepared for everything in the story to be a bit too "perfect," like the Prince's ability to somehow get perfect hair, makeup, and even cleavage (?!) at age 16.

The Prince and Dressmaker as a movie

[oldbutwise]

That's cool. I hope they can find a studio who will make the movie. But I'll bet you a year's rent they'll change the prince from genderfluid to gay. Audiences accept gay men as something besides comic relief. But the money people won't put up good money for a genderfluid character because too many people will boycoy it. Mainstream America isn't ready for us yet. Crosdressers are painted as mostly gay or transvestites. Transexuals are a hard sell in Hollywood these days. But the studio execs know that too many people aren't ready to admit or even learn that we even exist. Someday though.

[Becky]

Apr 9, 2020 7:39:58 GMT 8 oldbutwise said:

That's cool. I hope they can find a studio who will make the movie. But I'll bet you a year's rent they'll change the prince from genderfluid to gay. Audiences accept gay men as something besides comic relief. But the money people won't put up good money for a genderfluid character because too many people will boycoy it. Mainstream America isn't ready for us yet. Crosdressers are painted as mostly gay or transvestites. Transexuals are a hard sell in Hollywood these days. But the studio execs know that too many people aren't ready to admit or even learn that we even exist. Someday though.

I'm in total agreement with you, although I doubt the author would give permission for that kind of change.  My fear is that the money will dry up, and it will never happen.  That would be a shame.  It's a neat story, although the end is a little too miraculous and convenient.  (I won't insert any spoilers here)

The world WILL be ready for non-binary heroes someday, like you said.  I hope we're both alive to see it.
<3

[oldbutwise]

I just reread that page you linked. I totally missed that the graphic novel is a Harvey and Eisner Award winner. It just may get made after all. Universal has taken some chances before and if memory serves they paid off handsomely. And it's kind of hard to ignore people with a track record like the Lopezes. The studios love to chase money after all. And the teen market is still hot so that's a bonus. Hmmm, I'll have to keep an eye on this one. Make Mine Marvel.

[Ativan Prescribed]

There are getting to be more and more LGBTQ people as characters and as actors all the time.
Mostly because people are interested in them more than just the bigoted republican views.
If trump can be the host of the asshole show and have people watch, them LGBTQ is easier to take than his lying ass.
Which is a sign of the times really, trumps only, thats read as ONLY claim to fame is being the host of a show for the sole reason he is a stupid asshole and people like that kind of entertainment, at least its not them who are as big of assholes.
But also they want to know more about the people in the world who aren't as stupid and aren't assholes and want to know why it is bigots think LGBTQ are going to bring the end times on us when they know for a fact that trump is the end times factor bringing it on.

[Trinity]

Apr 9, 2020 7:39:58 GMT 8 oldbutwise said:

That's cool. I hope they can find a studio who will make the movie. But I'll bet you a year's rent they'll change the prince from genderfluid to gay. Audiences accept gay men as something besides comic relief. But the money people won't put up good money for a genderfluid character because too many people will boycoy it. Mainstream America isn't ready for us yet. Crosdressers are painted as mostly gay or transvestites. Transexuals are a hard sell in Hollywood these days. But the studio execs know that too many people aren't ready to admit or even learn that we even exist. Someday though.

The difficulty we have with trans roles in the movies isn't with America.  The big studios market extensively in the far east, its a big percent of the gross, and the censors won't let a movie in with a trans narrative or trans character unless its snuck in under the radar.

[Trinity]

There is also a lot of pressure on the studios by the unions to hire genuinely trans actors for trans roles. We have been pushing hard to rid ourselves of the darned stereotypes and a lot of headway has been gained. It still is tough though.

When they do come out with something like that the backlash is severe now, by the artist.

[oldbutwise]

Very true but the Asians are bass ackwards when it comes to things lke gender roles and the transgender community. I have yet to play a western online role playing game where you can't mix and match your character's class and gender, and in the west things are slowly getting better for us. Almost every asian online role playing game has gender locked classes. If you want to be a mage for example your character is female. We all know how the asians feel about gender roles and yet over there a lot of the people who play those games, yet alone create them, are men. So playing Princess Pukapika with 100 of your best friends is perfectly fine but don't even think about wanting to me mister mom. Go figure.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Well that's a little harsh to criticize an entire race of people because their govt censures are the ones who are assbackwards.
Just like I don't put up with bigots, I have just as little time to put up with racism.
If you look a little closer at the social aspects of trans and sexuality in the asian cultures, you'd know that on a level of society, they have been very much accepting of gender and sexuality differences that in this country the bigots are overwhelmingly against.
It's their dictators who are the bigots and racists in that part of the world and to such an extent that they have a locked down attitude about the internet, which is censured to the max because whats a good dictator unless they can find a scapegoat to blame for why they are so weak.
To be honest, this country has more problems with social aspects of life than most all other free countries in the world, its only the backwards attitudes of the dictators that they need to fault anyone they can to appear like they are actually doing something besides imprisonment and letting a virus kill off so many of their people.
Just to be sure, I would assume that any asian playing games would be using the gender of their choice to sign in so that they can be anyone they want to be online.

[Yuki]

Apr 9, 2020 9:54:43 GMT 8 oldbutwise said:

Very true but the Asians are bass ackwards when it comes to things lke gender roles and the transgender community. I have yet to play a western online role playing game where you can't mix and match your character's class and gender, and in the west things are slowly getting better for us. Almost every asian online role playing game has gender locked classes. If you want to be a mage for example your character is female. We all know how the asians feel about gender roles and yet over there a lot of the people who play those games, yet alone create them, are men. So playing Princess Pukapika with 100 of your best friends is perfectly fine but don't even think about wanting to me mister mom. Go figure.

I know no one likes gender locked classes, but that's hardly even remotely a good way to judge how the population of a whole country feels about gender. Not to mention there's more than one Asian country, and they're all different. But games are just one part of their media. A lot of gamers here in the USA can be just as bad. I'm sure you see the constant sexist comments that are always going on in chat, or in any gaming community. Personally, I hate most of the gaming community here. They tend to perpetuate stereotypes of gender so much more than the general population does, unless you find an LGBT gaming community to be a part of. The rest are overwhelmingly trash. So I don't see how using games or the gaming community from any country is a good indicator of anything. 

Gaming communities everywhere are a bunch of gross, sexist, transphobic and homophobic cis people. Most of the cis men who play women characters only do it so they can watch the boobs bounce while they play. Yes, that does make it easier for trans people to go and blend in without judgement of what gender you're playing as... but that's not their purpose when they do it, and it hardly means we are any better than any other country. 

Like I said, unless you find an LGBT community. But those exist in Asian countries, too.

[Trinity]

My point was that the dictator controlled governments will not show a movie in their country if it involves trans people. Marvel is big over there, and my agent was the rep for the trans person in Spiderman. They had to handle it very carefully to get it past ALL the censors, and censorship is everwhere.

Its not a race thing at all, it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with people that can get the upper hand over others and demonize them, and frankly, we have that problem right now here in this country, and its got to stop.

And as a living trans person that is full transition and has paid dearly for that human right, the last thing I want to hear is any kind of stereotyping or bullshit where people get oppressed, this world would be a heck of a lot better place if everyone would let each other live their lives in freedom.

By the way, many of my friends got their surgery in Thailand, because our people over here were botching trans surgeries left and right.

Its all a political thing with the movies, we do our part to try to destroy the stereotypes and the bigotry by revealing the truth, and that's all we can do.

I get really pissed about it, I have had a kid spit in my face because they figured out I was trans on the street. And I don't give a rats ass what a persons race is, I want to know what their heart is.

[oldbutwise]

Consider me properly chastised. I apologize. I was ignorant. I try very hard to not be ignorant or intolerant. I promise the next time I'll check my facts before I post.

[Trinity]

Apr 9, 2020 18:41:17 GMT 8 oldbutwise said:

Consider me properly chastised. I apologize. I was ignorant. I try very hard to not be ignorant or intolerant. I promise the next time I'll check my facts before I post.

There is a terrible poison unleashed in the land that separates us from each other and uses any excuse to do so.

All of us are suffering, all of us have the same deep human needs.   Some of us on the board have been warriors to protect the weak, both literally and by the pen, at great cost to ourselves.

So you can understand the hair trigger responses.

Some of us have been abused by political systems that take advantage of bigotry and have suffered in a very real and deep way.

Some have been discriminated against and nearly died from it.

My own story would curl your toes, but its embedded in the posts of the forum.

So thank you for recanting and apologizing.  Apology accepted, for my part.  

The world must unite against the poison of being divided by our enemies.

The world of trans began by being divided from the LGB part of the LGBT(QI).  Then, the binary trans and the nonbinary trans were divided, peace was offered and rejected on the trans forums, and we left them and formed  this little forum for the nonbinary.   There was once a conflict here between the binary and the nonbinary again, and the binarie's that were discrediting the nonbinaries were forced to leave, and it was hard and not nice and very painful and not done very well, but this became a sancutary for the nonbinary.  And many of those binaries are my friends and still are, but we protect ourselves.

I still hurt over the way that went down.

The poison of hate, us for the cis, the cis for us, political oppression, medical oppression, race against race, religion against religion, it all comes from the same place, and it is anti-love.

The Lord died for every single one of us without exception, and if you look at His closest friends, you see His heart.  That is my belief and I don't force it on others, but I try to live it.

The way of love is the way to live.  I suffer from rage, as do a few others here, love is the antidote. 

So again, thank you for the apology, I hope you find your way safely through the maze.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Apr 9, 2020 18:41:17 GMT 8 oldbutwise said:

Consider me properly chastised. I apologize. I was ignorant. I try very hard to not be ignorant or intolerant. I promise the next time I'll check my facts before I post.

It isn't about the facts even though they are very important, its about the mindset that confuses the facts and its that confusion that is the basis of evil in this world.
Everyone thinks they know the facts of this person and that person and the differences between them, and just the idea that others are called a different race doesn't set them apart from the human race.
That they took countries and regions and things like skin color and even in this country at one time hair color was discriminated against, it doesn't take facts to just know that nobody is more important than the next person.
Intelligence and opinions are not the same thing despite the facts that are often spouted aff in those opinions, its the lack of facts in the opinions that show the true mindset of that persons intelligence.
You can spout off statistics and studies and all sorts of things that on the surface sound intelligent but when you pit one group of people against the other, the stupidity of those facts goes out the window.
Some people go through life as if they were never picked on or singled out and yet they do the very same thing to others on a daily or regular basis.
I am old and wise because I've learned that everyone has something to offer and those who tear down others as people have little to nothing to offer.
I rail all the time on republicans, not as people but as a group who pride themselves on being the better people when its obvious the only thing they are better at is lockstepping or goosestepping their way through the lives of others.
But none of them is a so called race of people, they are a political mindset that is dangerous to the growth of personal freedoms in this country and the world, because its freedom that tears them apart as a group, its seeing others as a 'race 'and not as people.
I don't and will not tolerate racism or bigotry on this forum, it serves no purpose here.
That is a fact.