By the Numbers: Global Causes of Death

[Ativan Prescribed]

By the Numbers: Global Causes of Death 

Look at the lower right corner, despite it doubling, war, terrorist, etc. is minuscule compared to the rest, yet we invest way more money in military/defense.
These are the world numbers, what we spend in defense in the US is about half of what the world spends, we spend as much as the rest combined...
Just think what that money could do in those other areas of death by the numbers.
Look at how many people kill themselves or die because of mental disorders, how much do we spend? How much on defense?
Cardio is the biggest cause, traffic accidents are very very low by comparison, yet how are our tax dollars spent again?
We have the money, the world has the money, to stop all the country by country BS of we got ours and you can't touch it...
Take the wasted on crap dollars and spend it on the people to keep them alive and healthy, a good life, and we have the ability to do that.
We could virtually wipe out world hunger and have money left over if we turned war money into food instead.
But pry away the money to be made in the military industrial complex and that's money out of the riches pockets, they have republicans to do their dirty work.
Take the money that is being hoarded by the top 1% and we could fix the problems of the other 99% without war.
Yep, worldwide, that's how much money was taken from the 99% by the 1%, and in that 99% are still people who have more money than we have over a lifetime.
They are still among the very richest people in the world, but that !%, they are simply hoarding the money, it's impossible for them to even give it away fast enough.
Take away the obvious of giving it to one person, but for them to give it out to everyone is impossible, they have so much it would take more than their lifetimes to do it.
Meanwhile, the rest of the worlds population dies from preventable disease and causes, live lives of physical and mental pain, life sucks for so many.
Even in the upper class, the richest of people, they die from the very same things, they hoard money and won't even give enough, won't jump on the band wagon to save even themselves, hoarding is a disease and they die from it, all of this is preventable.
And if the wealth was used to make lives better, why would anyone want a war and lose all the benefits of not spending tax dollars on it?

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Seriously Ativan, WTF do you expect? Should we not fight Extreme Islam? You do know that ISIS and other extreme islamists throw LGBTs off of sky scrapers, right? Sweety, you are starting to come unraveled with the left and right bullshit that you think is relevant.

Hun, I don't want to trigger you but I don't see republican right wing Christians throwing LGBTs off of buildings or hanging them from cranes. I have seen the other first hand though and could not do a god damned thing about it other than tell people. I would have died too.

Global causes of death? Nature and old age and that includes cancer. Then comes accidents. Then comes wars and then suicides. Wars kill very little people compared to what chances we take.

Sweety you are finding shit on the internet to try and prove a point. I get it, you hate the war on terror because that is a "right wing" deal. You are trying to prove a point that don't even exist.

You hon are going off the rails. So maybe instead try and understand with reason instead of shit you find that proves your point politically. You may dear are too political. I have seen African women with penises hanged and have seen LGBTs thrown off buildings and if they didn't die shot in the head with a 7.62 AK. What the Fuck could I do? Die and kill the other on the OP trying to save them? Yes. What good would that have done? More dragged through the streets castrated?

Honestly and truthfully Christians do not like LGBTs but they are not killing us and throwing us off of buildings or hanging us from cranes. I never witnessed the hangings first hand though. But I have seen and heard the sound of us when we hit the pavement off of a 5 story building.


Who needs to save you? Do you really expect anyone to save you? I don't. Either I can save myself or die and to be completely honest I may choose death. I do now instead of paying the high rates or Obamacare. Big deal. Death is always omnipresent in life.

See the difference between you and me is that I don't want anything from anyone. I have faced death many times and I am OK with it if it happens. I don't expect to be saved by anyone or any entity let alone the government. I don't want anything from the government let alone life if they give a thumbs up or thumbs down. I will take my own life before I allow a government to allow me to live or die. I still have two rounds put away and under glass and one is a 9mm NATO round and the other a 5.56 NATO just in case. That is how serious the shit could have gotten.

So how much should we spend for the so called Industrial Military Complex? How much should we spend to keep LGBTs alive? You do know that the Left used the same arguments before Pearl Harbor with the extinction of Jewish people in Germany, right?

So go spew your political BS to whoever. All the while in ISIS controlled territories and not even ISIS controlled areas, we are getting thrown off of buildings and hanged from cranes. Fucking women in these areas are getting buried to the neck and stoned to death just for being women while their husbands and the men can buy hookers or practice infidelity? You do know I have seen this shit first hand right? You may call bullshit and I will agree with you because I am a liar and will not say. If you want proof well there is no proof that I am willing to expose other than I have seen it.

So dear just get off the fucking political bandwagon and listen to people that have seen and been there and actually could give a fuck less about the left or the right for identity. You think I am lying? NOKO is no joke and if the little boy in pajamas can, he will. This is from obsevations. Notice one thing about Norht Koreans though. They are starving and malnourished het Kim Jong Un is fat. That is something most people do not notice and probably should if they noticed a little bit more. He is firing missles left and right yet his people are starving? The cost of one missile could feed his whole country for a week. So.... Keep tal

[Trinity]

This thread is off the rails.

WTF.

Watch it with the personal attacks. That's out of bounds on this forum.

Its like a microcosm of whats happened to our country, ripping itself apart.

Chill....

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Sept 17, 2017 13:01:22 GMT 8 Trinity said:

This thread is off the rails.

WTF.

Watch it with the personal attacks. That's out of bounds on this forum.

Its like a microcosm of whats happened to our country, ripping itself apart.

Chill....

Yeah I know. But accidents and other things are worst than hate crimes though.


Yeah I went off the rails but I am riding the "Crazy Train. Though. But old age is number one, cancer number two, Accidents number three and so on. wart is lower on the list.

[Trinity]

Sept 19, 2017 7:06:55 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Sept 17, 2017 13:01:22 GMT 8 Trinity said:

This thread is off the rails.

WTF.

Watch it with the personal attacks. That's out of bounds on this forum.

Its like a microcosm of whats happened to our country, ripping itself apart.

Chill....

Yeah I know. But accidents and other things are worst than hate crimes though.


Yeah I went off the rails but I am riding the "Crazy Train. Though. But old age is number one, cancer number two, Accidents number three and so on. wart is lower on the list.

You seem a lot wilder...kinda out there honey.

Everything ok?  You were off a while, relationship thing...

Crazy train.. Is that good or bad?

You all right?

[Ativan Prescribed]

There is a easy to read chart at the bottom of the article, it clearly shows cardio as the number one, cancer as number two.
To say old age is the number one killer is stating the obvious, and it isn't old age that kills, it is the many other causes of death, cardio still number one in old age, cancer is number two in old age.
If you want the exact cause in all of the things that kill people, it's lack of oxygen to the brain, and even then, a lot of the cells continue to live for long after depending on things like temp, etc.
But the article is interesting, it dispels a lot of inaccurate ideas of what is causing death, and it does vary somewhat between countries, but never has it been so close by percentages.
If you look at the chart on the bottom, one of the least causes of death but the only one that doubled since 2010 is war, conflict etc.
Yet we spend, as the one of the wealthiest countries and a technological leader, look into what we spend on defense and what we spend on eradicating death by other means, disease and starvation.
We are so wealthy as a nation, that the top 1% of the rich have more than enough to stop starvation, but it would make their mental disorder of hoarding money worse for them, a trade off they don't or are willing to attempt.
So it's also pretty safe to say that the leading causes of death could very possibly be lessened by a very high percentage if money was applied to the things that can be prevented by research, and even then, it is likely that the rich would still be, they own most of the companies and corps that would benefit monetarily from that alone.
My original statement still stands as I wrote it, it is indeed opinion and it is not only mine, but literally billions of other peoples.
If you are starving or soon to be dying from one of the leading causes of death, would you see the futility in investing the riches of the world on death by war? I imagine a person would, it would seem that investing time, money and research into stopping the leading causes would be more important than investing money, time and research into things to kill other people.
Go ask someone who is dying of one of the leading causes and ask them where they think the $ should go...
And while it is true that we are all going to die, why spend it all on death and destruction when it could be just as easily be spent on longevity and quality of life? If it was more or less equal in all nations, then would it still be important to defend yourself or even attack someone when there is no gain to be had from it? One of the first points made in the article by Lancet, which is highly regarded, is that life expectancy is pretty much the same, and where it was much lower just 7 years ago, it is on par with other countries now. So does it make sense to keep on pressuring other countries into spending ever more vast amounts of money on death when it is going to get you anyways?
Consider the breakdown in where your tax dollars go, most of it to defense, and right now there is a need for some of that in TX and FL, even building the idiots border wall would be nothing by comparison to what we spend on defense. They don't know where the money for infrastructure is going to come from, when if that falls apart, our defense is kinda silly, because who wants a broken down country? The rich could have there tax break, the republicans wouldn't have to fret over re-election and kickbacks from the rich, the rich would own the things that make life better and they wouldn't have to own the things that make death easier. It really is a win win kind of thing to just transfer the money from death to life, from a shit life to one of quality, who has the money will still have it, and those who don't might have a better chance at getting some. again a win, and the rich will make money from them again because those people will be working for them making them money/products/service/technology... Oh yah things like education would be a lot easier to do, we could be Number one again, but then maybe it's time the world was number one... It would leave us with the ability to travel to thew stars, to live on other worlds, it's more than the sky is the limit, there wouldn't really be a limit to what we could accomplish.

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Sept 19, 2017 8:31:32 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Sept 19, 2017 7:06:55 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Yeah I know. But accidents and other things are worst than hate crimes though.


Yeah I went off the rails but I am riding the "Crazy Train. Though. But old age is number one, cancer number two, Accidents number three and so on. wart is lower on the list.

You seem a lot wilder...kinda out there honey.

Everything ok?  You were off a while, relationship thing...

Crazy train.. Is that good or bad?

You all right?

No. I am on HRT now and doing everything right and per doctor's orders. Apparently it is natural though.

 I don't know Trin. I am way more sexual than I was before. Not the relationship thing is nothing. It ran it's course.

Yeah Crazy Train is a bad ass song. So that is good. But I really don't know sometimes. I was good and feminine before but wanted more. maybe I should have never screwed with a good thing.

So hun, I really don't know sometimes. Just bear with me a little bit.

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Sept 19, 2017 8:37:47 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

There is a easy to read chart at the bottom of the article, it clearly shows cardio as the number one, cancer as number two.
To say old age is the number one killer is stating the obvious, and it isn't old age that kills, it is the many other causes of death, cardio still number one in old age, cancer is number two in old age.
If you want the exact cause in all of the things that kill people, it's lack of oxygen to the brain, and even then, a lot of the cells continue to live for long after depending on things like temp, etc.
But the article is interesting, it dispels a lot of inaccurate ideas of what is causing death, and it does vary somewhat between countries, but never has it been so close by percentages.
If you look at the chart on the bottom, one of the least causes of death but the only one that doubled since 2010 is war, conflict etc.
Yet we spend, as the one of the wealthiest countries and a technological leader, look into what we spend on defense and what we spend on eradicating death by other means, disease and starvation.
We are so wealthy as a nation, that the top 1% of the rich have more than enough to stop starvation, but it would make their mental disorder of hoarding money worse for them, a trade off they don't or are willing to attempt.
So it's also pretty safe to say that the leading causes of death could very possibly be lessened by a very high percentage if money was applied to the things that can be prevented by research, and even then, it is likely that the rich would still be, they own most of the companies and corps that would benefit monetarily from that alone.
My original statement still stands as I wrote it, it is indeed opinion and it is not only mine, but literally billions of other peoples.
If you are starving or soon to be dying from one of the leading causes of death, would you see the futility in investing the riches of the world on death by war? I imagine a person would, it would seem that investing time, money and research into stopping the leading causes would be more important than investing money, time and research into things to kill other people.
Go ask someone who is dying of one of the leading causes and ask them where they think the $ should go...
And while it is true that we are all going to die, why spend it all on death and destruction when it could be just as easily be spent on longevity and quality of life? If it was more or less equal in all nations, then would it still be important to defend yourself or even attack someone when there is no gain to be had from it? One of the first points made in the article by Lancet, which is highly regarded, is that life expectancy is pretty much the same, and where it was much lower just 7 years ago, it is on par with other countries now. So does it make sense to keep on pressuring other countries into spending ever more vast amounts of money on death when it is going to get you anyways?
Consider the breakdown in where your tax dollars go, most of it to defense, and right now there is a need for some of that in TX and FL, even building the idiots border wall would be nothing by comparison to what we spend on defense. They don't know where the money for infrastructure is going to come from, when if that falls apart, our defense is kinda silly, because who wants a broken down country? The rich could have there tax break, the republicans wouldn't have to fret over re-election and kickbacks from the rich, the rich would own the things that make life better and they wouldn't have to own the things that make death easier. It really is a win win kind of thing to just transfer the money from death to life, from a shit life to one of quality, who has the money will still have it, and those who don't might have a better chance at getting some. again a win, and the rich will make money from them again because those people will be working for them making them money/products/service/technology... Oh yah things like education would be a lot easier to do, we could be Number one again, but then maybe it's time the world was number one... It would leave us with the ability to travel to thew stars, to live on other worlds, it's more than the sky is the limit, there wouldn't really be a limit to what we could accomplish.

Please Ativan. Stop with the politics. We will never reach the stars and other worlds. Look here, you and I can't even get along because of something so simple as an election. So waht makes you think we can can ever conquer the dificulties of intersetallar travel when people are so pissed over a 4 year election?

But we do have to defend ourselves though. We will never reach the stars the nearst star to us is appx 7 light years away and that is going 186,000 miles per second. We can not acheive anything close to that speed.

If I was dying? Screw it. So what? People die everyday and it is a fact and the one constant in life. Would you care? If so why? I wouldn't. I have no idea what the future holds and I very well may take my own life one day, big deal. That is not for anyone to decide but myself and on my own terms.

You talk about that death and destruction? Life is a bitch. Sometimes you need to defend your own life. Sometimes you may need to spend to save others also. We have to have a military to defend our nations. If not then real Tryranny will rule.

I get it. You are totally agianst the Industrial Military Complex. Jesus If you want to talk theoretical physics and multiverses and other worlds then leave the political slant out of it. but there is another constant and that is that we have to live long enought and free enough without living through dogmas and strict religion to ever reach the stars.

Seriously if you want to talk tehoretical physics then I am game. Hell we may even come up with an equation that will blow Einstiens out of the water. From the moment we are born we are in the arms of death. That is a fact of living a physical existance. But seriously don't think your politics give you a one up and you have all the answers if only everyone thought the way you do.

Where do I think my dolloars will go if I am dying? Well I am dying and we all are eventually. Do you really want to live forever? I don't. So you want all the money for the military to let people live forever? I would rather die younger than older because growing old is a bitch. Losing yourself, not being able to get around, not being able to hear and or see? I would end it long before then. But when I go out for a night on the town, I don't want to be mowed down in my prime either because some closeted person wants to hate.

I am all for space exploration. We should at least be to Mars by now. But what does that ruly matter if a Tyrannical force takes over the world. I am sure that is Trump to you but no. What if the whole world was ruled by Kim Jung Il? Do you think we would ever reach the ability of interstellar travel?

So please slow down, take a breath and think for a bit. Money is only money. We do need to defend ourselves always by greedy arrogant rulers. People die. Some die willingly and others not so much. You can't blame anything in particular on that just nature itself and human nature.

We live in America and it may not be perfect but the whole world is not as a whole. I have a Beretta 92FS loaded with hoolow points to save my life if someone breaks in my home in the middle of the night. All I have to do is click the safety off and pull the trigger. It is hard to live foreever when someone wants to kill you. It is the same with nations too. I spent a lot more on my Beretta than what a Glock costs but I know the Beretta half asleep and in the middle of the night and a Glock I don't.

I do get it. You are on the left. I am on the right but is there no room for intellegent conversation? What difference does it make anyway? If it does so much to you then maybe expand your mind a little more.

[Trinity]

Sept 20, 2017 6:41:21 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Sept 19, 2017 8:31:32 GMT 8 Trinity said:

You seem a lot wilder...kinda out there honey.

Everything ok?  You were off a while, relationship thing...

Crazy train.. Is that good or bad?

You all right?

No. I am on HRT now and doing everything right and per doctor's orders. Apparently it is natural though.

 I don't know Trin. I am way more sexual than I was before. Not the relationship thing is nothing. It ran it's course.

Yeah Crazy Train is a bad ass song. So that is good. But I really don't know sometimes. I was good and feminine before but wanted more. maybe I should have never screwed with a good thing.

So hun, I really don't know sometimes. Just bear with me a little bit.

Put the song up girl...

How long are you on the HRT?

Heavy dose?  MTF transition dose?

Yeah, it WILL mess with you emotionally.  And Estrogen makes me horny too.

But yah.  E is unpredictable, not to blame it for anything, but it can change the wild thang to wild ride, and a roller coaster at that.

What are you on?  Pills, patch, injections?

Gotta be careful, volatility, not a good thing, been there, done that, still do that.  And this place is loaded with newbies, don't wanna scare them off, especially the teenagers and we've got a few here.  As well as a couple of girls in trans puberty right now.

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Sept 20, 2017 9:45:27 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Sept 20, 2017 6:41:21 GMT 8 @jamie said:

No. I am on HRT now and doing everything right and per doctor's orders. Apparently it is natural though.

 I don't know Trin. I am way more sexual than I was before. Not the relationship thing is nothing. It ran it's course.

Yeah Crazy Train is a bad ass song. So that is good. But I really don't know sometimes. I was good and feminine before but wanted more. maybe I should have never screwed with a good thing.

So hun, I really don't know sometimes. Just bear with me a little bit.

Put the song up girl...

How long are you on the HRT?

Heavy dose?  MTF transition dose?

Yeah, it WILL mess with you emotionally.  And Estrogen makes me horny too.

But yah.  E is unpredictable, not to blame it for anything, but it can change the wild thang to wild ride, and a roller coaster at that.

What are you on?  Pills, patch, injections?

Gotta be careful, volatility, not a good thing, been there, done that, still do that.  And this place is loaded with newbies, don't wanna scare them off, especially the teenagers and we've got a few here.  As well as a couple of girls in trans puberty right now.

Oral and not at full MTF levels. Basically just to even me out a little. Maybe I am going through transopause?
And since I dropped out of sight for a while. But I am thinking of talking to the doc and getting off of it too.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Sept 20, 2017 7:34:04 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Sept 19, 2017 8:37:47 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

 We will never reach the stars and other worlds. 

You talk about that death and destruction? Life is a bitch.

Seriously if you want to talk tehoretical physics then I am game.

 I would rather die younger than older because growing old is a bitch. 

I am all for space exploration. We should at least be to Mars by now. But what does that ruly matter if a Tyrannical force takes over the world. I am sure that is Trump to you but no. What if the whole world was ruled by Kim Jung Il? Do you think we would ever reach the ability of interstellar travel?

 I have a Beretta 92FS loaded with hoolow points to save my life if someone breaks in my home in the middle of the night. All I have to do is click the safety off and pull the trigger. It is hard to live foreever when someone wants to kill you. It is the same with nations too. I spent a lot more on my Beretta than what a Glock costs but I know the Beretta half asleep and in the middle of the night and a Glock I don't.

...  room for intellegent conversation? What difference does it make anyway? If it does so much to you then maybe expand your mind a little more.

You will never reach the stars, but I'm working towards a world that eventually will and my children's children's and their children's might.
You probably have no idea that it was people like you who didn't want to go to the moon, too much money that we need for defense against the Soviet Union.
It's impossible and we will never have a man on the moon... We did it in less than ten years and the technology gained has made the world a better place, that technology has inspired so much more technology.
No PC's back then, no calculators in hand, no cell phones, we didn't even have Teflon. The mission that made it to the moon did it with in flight computers that had less capability than the cheapest of calculators you can buy today, given the chance and gov't backing, technology took a huge boost, the US firmly in the position of #1 and the Soviet Union was beginning to crumble under the weight of just their space program alone, it was one of the things that ended the so called enemy, they weren't,they were all bluster and puffed up BS, much like N Korea is, especially like the Middle East Terrorists are, they have nothing but a few fanatics, pretty much like trumps fanatics, losers by every measure.
They want no change, they want to defend Confederate statues to the enemy Confederacy as their legacy, they are so stuck they want a return to the past. The world is engaged into moving forward to the future and those who aren't will be left behind, hiding in their homes with a Beretta to defend themselves, while the rest of the world moves forward it doesn't have the time or need to even consider those people.

We can't talk theoretical physics because it's pretty obvious to me that you couldn't keep up, you have no concept of the possibilities for reaching the stars, the theoretical concepts for that are always moving forward, so to have a conversation with you and thinking you can come up with an equation that blows Einstein out of the water is laughable, I seriously doubt if you can keep up with High School theoretical physics, which certainly surpass yours on a scale you probably can't comprehend with your backwater wisdom and possible 8th grade education. I'll give you this though, you are able to talk the talk, if it's with another person who's intelligence is on par with your lack of it.

Why can't you figure out the safety of a glock? Who cares if you have a Beretta by your bed, who are you afraid of? It can't be the boogeyman terrorists lurking in your backwoods, maybe it's a N Korean, maybe it's your imagination that anyone would take the time to single you out, take the time to venture into the woods when there are so many better things they could be doing than worrying about you and your Beretta....

What difference does it make? It makes a huge difference that apparently you can't see from your hiding place, it makes a huge difference to those of us who know we are forever moving forward and aren't stuck with a Beretta waiting for a terrorist to come. The world keeps moving forward and those who can't keep up are going to be left behind, those who are trying to return to the 'good old days'... the good old days were filled with the very same scary things and more.
It makes a huge difference, it makes all the difference in the world what we do, it matters to our children's children's, the things that motivate us to keep striving for better than the hate that is spewed from the rights mouths for those who aren't like them, they would spit on me given the chance, their hate is for anyone who is not like them and they are scared of those people, they have Beretta's by the bed in case a liberal comes to get them, lol...
Those who fail to see that we strive to make a better world for our children are never going to get it, let alone have a conversation about it.
No, that isn't going to happen because nobody wants to talk about terrorists in the shadows while getting drunk on Chablis.
The difference is that you fail to realize that there is a difference other than politics, that it goes so much farther than that, but get drunk on Chablis and keep that Beretta in the other hand because who knows who might be on the other side of your trailer shack door? Could be Kin Jung Un himself, because he knows you were in S Korea working the bar scene while the world was leaving you behind even then. You could have died...

It makes such a huge difference that even the suggestion of an intelligent conversation with you just makes me laugh, what makes you think you are intelligent to begin with?

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Are you done trashing me Ativan? Do you really hate me so much because of differences in political views? I don't hate you.

So you feel that I can't keep up on theoretical physics? Why?

Personally I was two when we landed on the moon. I do believe we need to reach Mars within my lifetime. Actually for your kids and other future generations we need to reach out farther than that. Because Our Sun will eventually die and overtake all the inner planets. But no one really knows though.

So why trash me so badly? If during WW2 if Germany would have taken over without the US and other Allied forces, where would we be now?

Think of it like this. What if there is a species out there that does obtain interstellar travel, would we not need a sort of Space Military to defend ourselves even?

On our little planet now there are people that want to kill others because of differing opinions, religious views, perceptions of life and so on. To save our own lives we may have to defend ourselves.

You can hate me because you disagree with me and attack me but I don't hate you and I respect your views until they turn hateful.

All the hate needs to end. I don't care if you are a communist but I do have a right to speak my views too and if you can't respect that or me then I am sorry. Hate me all you want if it makes you feel better.

Global causes of death in reality? Nature and just living life. People get sick and die. That is the fact. Hate for one another and murder is another fact. How about bad choices like drinking and driving? What about bad habits? Death has no political views. More people have died from natural causes and environmental causes than all the wars fought by military forces combined.

Personally I have calmed down but in this one reply you have doubled down. Hate me if it makes you feel better. I can be a punching bag. I may not agree with you but I do not hate you and will not attack you personally.

[Ativan Prescribed]

Are you done trashing me Jamie? I don't hate you, I laugh at your idiotic political views because they are just that, you offer nothing, but trash mine.
I wouldn't talk about physics with you because it would be like talking to a high school kid about it, you give no indication that you could have a discussion.
You contradict yourself in the same sentence at times, and always with your lack of logic and sense of reality.
You're an insult to intelligence, the thread started with an article from the Lancet, a reputable source of information like this, and then you keep going on with this idiotic reasoning of what the numbers are, you state the obvious as if it is better information, you even contradict yourself with that.
I'm not a communist and there you go with fucking insults again, your attacks on me, your hatred of me is obvious and your game of trying to pretend your not is high school, a level of education that you missed along the way. You have a right to speak your views, but if you're going to trash mine along the way, then you get the same back, it's a laughable game and is fun to do, especially with someone who just can't keep up with the threads without telling another story about you that has nothing to do with the topic. Doubling down gets your attention, so doubling down it is, lay off the personal attacks if you don't want them thrown back at you, but go ahead, it makes me laugh the way you just can't keep up... (discuss physics with you, lol...)

[EchelonHunt]

I completely agree with you, Ativan, that the money should be better spent in other areas that need it (e.g. healthcare and education), we have the same issue here in Australia. I think it was last year, our prime minister sunk a shitload of money into defence military.

"The Turnbull government will spend $195 billion to expand Australia’s military might in the next decade to ensure it becomes “powerful on land and in the skies and more commanding both on the seas and beneath them”.

Rich little boys with their big toys...

When our hospitals are bursting at the seams while they are underfunded and understaffed - well, it could be worse, it could be like it is in USA with a hefty charge just to walk in and see a doctor. One of our members, Sawyer, can't even afford a visit to a doctor. Imagine if the US spent a portion of what they spent into the healthcare system, if anyone could go to the doctor and not have to worry about being broke afterwards or deciding not to get medical treatment because they know they can't afford it.

I did some research and turns out... 1 in 3 Americans are burdened with medical bills. I don't even want to know what the possible statistics and deaths are of people in the US who said no to medical treatment because they couldn't afford it or the ones who are still drowning in debt that will probably take a lifetime to pay off because they don't have the privilege that many other people have that they take for granted. (e.g. a stable job with stable income, wealthy parents to pay for school/university fees, white people more likely to be hired over african americans, etc.)

It was another seemingly chance decision by Daniel McCarthy to sign on as a volunteer firefighter more than a decade ago that saved the family’s finances in the wake of Cassidy’s diagnosis with cancer. As it turned out, that activity allowed him to ask The Heather Pendergast Fund, a foundation set up in 2009 to help out the families of Long Island’s volunteer firefighters and EMS workers with their children’s medical expenses, to pay many of Cassidy’s medical bills.

McCarthy says the charitable foundation was a financial lifeline. Cassidy quickly racked up more than several thousand dollars in out-of-pocket medical expenses—for the surgeon, the anesthesiologist, radiologists, chemotherapy, you name it—since the family’s insurance policy had a $6,000 deductible. A few months later, Pendergast came through again when McCarthy lost his job at a local nursing home and rehabilitative center and the family suddenly had to find money for COBRA payments, which, at $2,100 a month, were more than the monthly mortgage payment on their West Babylon, Long Island, home.

“I don’t know how people who don’t have resources do this. I don’t. Many people work three, four jobs, and can’t afford the time to volunteer in an organization like the fire department that would be able to help them. There are many people living out there that need help that can’t find it,” McCarthy says.

Don't even get me started on education, it is bare and severely lacking. I found out recently that our lecturers are being paid 90k per year and they do not even do a proper job of teaching us the skills to take into the real world. I'm learning far more at my one-day-a-week internship with City of Swan with a senior graphic designer than I do in a week of classes. It's pathetic, I am PAYING for education and putting myself in debt while doing so and I get more education from being an unpaid intern at a marketing sector for City of Swan. You'd think the people who were getting paid big bucks would actually honour their duty to their job and actually FREAKIN' do their job! Nope!

About reaching the stars, interesting topic, I love this. I recently finished watching a short 6-part National Geographic series called, Year Million, it's about a concept of the far, far, future. Here is the synopsis for it because it sounds way cooler than I can ever rewrite it to be:

Given how rapidly technology and intelligence have advanced humankind in the past 10 years, one can't help but wonder how different the world may be in another 10 years. National Geographic, however, is thinking big. The six-part docudrama "Year Million" paints a visual story of what it will be like to be a human 1 million years into the future. Narrated by Laurence Fishburne, the series features top futurists, scientists, scholars and notable science-fiction writers guiding viewers through the latest advances in technology, ideas and innovations and to an existence where we're living beyond our bodies, beyond our planet and beyond our solar system. Illustrative, imaginative storytelling describes humanity's fate through the lens of a typical futuristic American family, which includes an android daughter.

 

[Ativan Prescribed]

It's true in every sense that to spend excessive amounts of money on the death machine (they do a good job of convincing people that terrorists are knocking on your door right now) to protect us from the certain death threats from the rest of the world, all the while there are staggering numbers of people dying simply because the money is shuffled off to a defense system that in turn goes in the filthy rich's pockets and off shore banking accounts, they don't even pay taxes on that, yet they expect you to turn your tax dollars over so they can shuffle it into their pockets.
It's a crime that has been going on forever, and every time the rich need more money, the scare tactics that we are on the brink of destruction are taken out of the closets, dusted off, shined with another piss poor idea of doom so they can have your money.
The idea behind the article is that we spend way more money defending from a boogeyman than we do on keeping people alive by means that are readily available and if not, they will find ways far faster than the defense systems of research are going to find ways to stop wars and find the ways to spend less money on the military instead of ever more, because well,.. boogeyman. Are the Canadians and Mexicans waging war on us? The people who are at war are with neighboring countries, not ones that are thousands of miles away. Do we need the massive armed forces and weapons that we can annihilate the world over several times with because of the might be if we push them to the brink of it by taunting and denying their people human rights all because the rich need a boogeyman so they can build up their bank accounts?
Just half of that money would prevent more deaths in our country and the worlds, than all the deaths from war in the last century.
Just half that money could wipe out famine if other countries did the same. How much do we need to defend? Not as much as we need to simply fix the ills of our world, the ills from the rich so they can gain and profit from wars without end.

But we don't do that because there is no short term gains in money for the rich, there are long term ones if they invest in the companies that are going to be successful despite the war machines, but they are to heavily invested in the short term gains they get from their investments now.
How much money does the average person have to invest in the same things, and would they have control over the gov't and politics they way they filthy rich propagandize and shove the pretense of a war is in the making and we had better spend more money for them to profit from?

Other countries are in bad shape because of the local wars they have to deal with, or dictatorships they don't have to have, or just not enough resources to have the money.
The future of the world depends not on machines that deal out death and take from the poor for the rich, it depends on everyone making a commitment to preventing deaths, to spend the money on quality and not on quantity of weapons.
It takes the commitment of everyone to lay down there weapons and move into the kind of world where we hardly ever, if ever, need such things.
Do we invest in defense of aliens? We don't have to because the chem trails are doing that for us, all you limited thinkers out there.
Given that in a better world we would have a much better ability to devise immediate ways of defense against the very slim probability of aliens, why invest it that now instead of investing in something worthwhile that they might want? They won't screw with an advanced civilization, but you can bet they will on a barbaric one they could care less about, free slave labor, no votes on the intergalactic gov't system for the barbaric...
Just the very idea that we can wipe out the very real problems we face by investing in fixing things instead of tearing things apart, would make the face of war disappear far faster than building up an ever larger military force.
Go ahead and sit in your bunkers waiting for the end of the world, because it just might happen because of you people sitting in bunkers waiting to be over run by the hordes of communists, Muslim, Chinese, whoever you think is the boogeyman out there.
Instead of hiding, why don't we make a better world by helping them as much as the rich help themselves to our money?
The only real reason for war is to gain others money and the rich are doing it all the time, they live in lavish bunkers made possible by their ability to take your money from you and invest it into ever more potential ways to wage war for them to get rich from.
Death by the numbers is just a peek at what we could do, we spend all that money on that little square of deaths and very little money on the very huge squares of death.
We need to get the 'Dotards' out of control of our lives.
By curing the real ills of our lives, we will be curing the real ills of society ruled by the rich.
It isn't communism, it is simply everyone getting their fair share by the systems of gov't we have, to be assured that our constitutions are upheld for all, that we aren't the hidden slaves of the rich who can afford us, to be truly free to pursue happiness.
The real problems we face are by the numbers, we are dying from far more than they would have you believe and after a lifetime of believing in a system that hurts more than fixes, it will take more than a chart of by the numbers, it takes people with real vision and those who are fearless enough to see it for what it is that will move forward into a better world instead of hiding in bunkers with their precocious weapons to defend themselves long after the last of have died because of their lack of vision, their fears that someone is going to take instead of give.