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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 4, 2017 19:16:27 GMT 8
Disclaimer: When I say transgender people, I am referring to people who drop the trans label when they finish transitioning and blend into society as their preferred gender they believe they should have been born as all along, going stealth and being a cis-woman/cis-man. Typically, this type of transgender person used to be called a transsexual but that term is long outdated and has negative connotations (e.g. gives off the impression being transgender is a sexual orientation and is subjected to fetishism on porn sites.)
My theory: Transgender people have cisgender mind and body wiring since birth, just the body's physical sex doesn't match the wiring.
So couldn't it be argued that once a transgender person finishes transitioning and had all the surgeries and blend into society as their accepted gender... that they transition from transgender to cisgender as they believe they should have been born as all along?
Once their transition is complete, their sex correlates with their gender instead of clashing with it, I think I understand why transpeople drop the trans label because they don't feel stuck in that in-between limbo anymore. Not to say that the in-between limbo is bad or anything, but it must be frustrating to be half complete, God knows, I can relate to that feeling.
Thoughts?
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Post by Leena on Mar 5, 2017 0:26:55 GMT 8
I'm not sure it has as much to do with their mind as much as the circumstances of their lives pre-transition. Going completely stealth would mean giving up all connections to their past and moving to a new area. Some cisgender people do this for other reasons and some are completely unwilling to this, even if it would be to their benefit.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 19, 2017 23:06:44 GMT 8
I wish to further expand on this theory: I realise I was thinking more-so about people going stealth but that executed my theory poorly. Again, this theory only applies to binary transfolk who pursue full-transition, who also have passing privilege and pass as their cis-counterparts. Here's a better description: Binary transgender people are born with cisgender male/female brains, only their biological sex does not match their female/male brain and they are socially brought up as their sex assigned at birth and experience puberty that is opposite of what their cisgender brain is wired to experience... which causes this phenomenon known as dysphoria. Once their body has the appropriate sex and hormones, social role that compliment their cisgender sex-wired brain, dysphoria is alleviated. E.g. A transwoman having a cis-female brain, brought up socially male, experiences dysphoria and transitions to female. They cannot enjoy themselves using the penis but when they have their correct anatomy (vagina), they can experience pleasure and feel "right" in their body. Vice versa for transmen. Case in point: A transwoman yearns to be socially brought up as a girl, feeling they have missed out on their real childhood, they wish they could have periods, go through pregnancy and give birth to a biological child that is their own. A transman wishing he could ejaculate semen, impregnate his partner and be able to biologically reproduce a child. Transmen's ideal chest is one with zero scars so it looks as convincing as possible, so it looks like they were born cis-male. Some transmen are refusing today's bottom surgery options because they want to wait for another surgery to come along that closely replicates a cis-penis since they believe today's methods aren't satisfactory for their needs (e.g. no need for donor flaps, moveable foreskin, unassisted erections as in they don't want erectile implant to become erect, ejaculation, the ability to somehow produce semen, etc.) The reinforcement that transwomen are WOMEN, that transmen are MEN, nothing more, nothing less. Holding passing transmen to cis-men beauty standards, gender roles and stereotypes and passing transwomen to cis-female beauty standards, gender roles and stereotypes even though cisfolk aren't held to the same standards, gender roles or stereotypes. If binary transfolk, with their cisgender sex-wired brains were born in their correct anatomy, they wouldn't be transgender, they'd be rightfully cisgender. That's why I think binary transfolk have cisgender brains in the "wrong" body, they need the correct body to align their sex with their brain and body nerve-wiring in order to alleviate dysphoria. I hope that makes some lick of sense...!
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Post by Trinity on Mar 20, 2017 6:40:59 GMT 8
I think it falls short.
There are many binary transwomen (I can't speak to men) that acknowledge that they still have some male components. Yet they are binary, for they wish to live and operate and relate as women, fully passing.
These binary transwomen, some of whom are friends of mine, go through intense whiplash when thier counterparts insist that they are not "true trans" because they don't go in for the entire woman trapped in a mans body thing.
Binarism, in my thinking, is all or nothing thinking on any level. I do identify in some ways in the binary, when we talk about the physical body and sexual wiring. I do not however identify with it when it comes to being a woman trapped in a mans body. But I am nonbinary. I don't identify as a woman.
Many of the binary transwomen do identify as women. Totally women. Through and through, and always having been that way, and they are in fact being truthful.
But there are binary transwomen that do not completely identify as women. And what happens to them?
In the end, I am not sure that it really matters, unless someone, like an insurance company, insists that only the so called true transwoman qualifies to get a neovagina. And those insurance policies are still written that way. Disqualifying people like me from getting bottom surgery.
So, I am not in favor of the theory. I see it as limiting, another box. And that is because it can be use to deligitimize those that do not fit nicely into the social stereotypical requirements of what male and female should be.
So, what is binarism.....?
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Mar 20, 2017 10:17:30 GMT 8
True binaryism would have to have end points, fully female and fully male. Stretch that a little further and you would have to consider that there is only one each at the end points. Only one 100% female and only one 100% male... we know that isn't true in a real world sense, but think about it, consider it as a point. Everyone else is somewhere in between, and I'd like to think that NB people aren't on a line between those points, it's binary points. It's that in between that is the transition area, the transgender, or old term transsexual... There are a lot of qualifiers in that area, and it depends on the person as to which they have and don't have. You could add them all up and hope for the 100%, but that belongs to that one and only person (see how that comes into play?) If you really could have a list and add those qualifiers up, you'd have a percentage leaning one way or the other. And that list is always going to be changing as a person transitions, a lot of things come into play, qualifiers change depending on the person, the definitions of them can change depending on the person. It's been argued that everyone is actually NB, because nobody, except for the two 100%'rs, is truly male or female, trans or cis. But like I said, I like to think of NB as being outside of that transitional area, that line, the hwy between the two cities of male and female. NB's are on their own, out in the forest they created as a way to explain how it is they aren't on that line, the hwy. I think most everyone if truthful would say they are this much male and this much female and trans or cis, they are going to say their percentage is enough to qualify them as one or the other gender. I wouldn't argue the point, I just accept that from their point of view, they are correct. You could call those qualifiers components instead and look at it that way, it works the same. But those components aren't all stacked or or past that imaginary dividing line, a person could have a bunch that are on this side, yet have one or more that are very much at the other end, closer to the other point that they say they don't belong to. There is no list of components or qualifiers, if there was, it would be endless and one long never ending argument. It's up to each person to decide how much of what wiring is this and that. They determine themselves what a percentage might be, because we can't even define the two 100%'rs and what makes them unique. They're fictitious, just like the list of components is, it's each persons individual theory, how they perceive it. Just how close a person is or can get to that mystical 100% is the goal for some, for others who they are is good enough. Just like as NB people, they get to decide on their pronouns, their descriptions, their point of view of who they are. Otherwise, they are as much unicorns as we are in the forest. Their point of view of us for some, especially cis binaries, they never thought about it. Taking your gender for granted is their privilege, they have no reason to think otherwise, some might question their gender, but they will usually pick one or the other. Because for them, that's the only two choices, and they have all kinds of reasons why that is, all of them wrong. Who you are depends on where you are in relationship with others. Most people live in one or the other city, and some are traveling the hwy between them, they have a destination in mind. They are trans-versing that area between the two cities and if they are coming from one and tell you that they belong in the other one, then they are. They are coming from a place and are in the process of going to another place. But those two cities aren't a point, they are big places, lots of different places a person could be in one or the other. Maybe some live in the burbs, some even out in the country a ways, but they still say they come from that general area, that city. Their hwy has a beginning and an end, a destination,... the whole point for them is the destination, regardless of their journey. On the other hand, NB people, those fictitious unicorns in the unicorn forest, don't really have a destination, it's all about the journey. Multiple paths that wind around and cross over other paths, lots of different people on those paths. Mostly the paths don't go to a specific point, it's in the taking the path that matters, what you learn about yourself along the way. I can't tell you what your gender is or is supposed to be, not anymore than you can tell anyone elses... The name change, the terms used change, it makes very little difference, what matters is who you become on those paths that eventually might lead to one of those terms, one of those labels, the names that keep changing. Who you become is going to be up to you, everyone's experiences are different and we are individuals, more so than some... The same thing holds true for those on that hwy, it's their journey, their expectations and their results from taking it. So I suppose they have all the right in the world to declare themselves to be who they discovered along the way. It could very well be a matter of wiring, brain and or body, it might be that some of that changes as they travel along, how would we know? Like always, and this has always been the one true thing I have ever found, is that it is about the journey, not the destination... We'll all get to ours soon enough, in our own time and our own destinations, they are different for everyone, because the journey is never the same.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 20, 2017 10:27:41 GMT 8
My theory covers the minority of binary transfolk who don't celebrate being trans, who identify as women/men as opposed to transwomen/transmen, who view being trans as a birth defect or medical condition that must be corrected, who believe they are by definition, transsexuals (outdated term, I know, there is no other word to describe it) rather than transgender. I am aware my theory can come across as very narrow-minded, elitist and identity policing, this is not my intention. As for other people who don't fit, they are transgender rather than transsexuals. I am fully aware of the restrictions that are put in place due to binary transfolk standards, I got my option of bottom surgery taken away from me as soon as I stopped identifying as male even though I expressed I have dysphoria over female anatomy and leaving me incomplete would be like leaving me half open on the surgery table and being like, "You'll make an excellent recovery!" There are many different kind of binary transpeople. The diversity is astounding. One example: A binary transguy who only identifies 80% male and 20% squiggle. He still identifies as binary trans rather than non-binary, which I find this interesting as he says he feels like everyday, the squiggle part gets bigger. He also deviates from the norm for what he wants for bottom surgery, he wants RFF phallo but keep his front hole, have the phallo penis and keep his T-penis underneath instead of burying it in the phallo. He jokes he'll have two dicks and two holes. He also identifies as queer instead of the conventional sexualities like gay, straight or bisexual that enforce the gender binary. In my mind, I see him as both non-binary & binary trans. Having stereotypically masculine hobbies (e.g. car racing, body building, etc) won't disqualify a binary transwoman, nor will being socially conditioned as male or even enjoying her penis won't disqualify her from the above theory. Because ciswomen enjoy stereotypically masculine hobbies, some have willingly lived socially as male (Dianela Sea is one) and some, on a small scale, possibly lesbian, butch or queer individuals, enjoy having a penis (strap-on or packer). Heck, just the other day, I found out a ciswoman had top surgery and opted against nipple grafts entirely, they identify as androgynous lesbian. Vice versa for transmen enjoying stereotypically feminine things. 'Cus cismen like stereotypically feminine hobbies, not sure if some may choose to live socially as women but I do know there is a smaller scale of cismen who have their penis and balls removed, the scrotum skin modified to look like external appearance of a vagina and they are proud to call themselves a man with a pussy. There are millions of ways to be binary trans... if one feels they have cis-male or cis-female bodymap, nerve wiring and sexuality, that is all that matters to this theory. Whether or not they get surgery or not and whether their gender identity is binary trans or non-binary doesn't matter in the bigger picture. Now what about non-binary bodymap, nerve wiring and sexuality?
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Mar 20, 2017 10:51:56 GMT 8
The NB body map, nerve wiring and sexuality is somewhere in the forest on some path or paths most likely. I think I accounted for most everyone in my comment, just by way of one of my overly long and disjointed comments. I think the ones who look at it as a medical condition, a birth defect, they probably travel that hwy incognito. Just getting to the city they belong in is where their journey begins sort of. They are dialed into that binary pretty hard for themselves, their destination is everything to them, until the day they decide they are as good as they are going to get. I don't even know if they are trans, they just get their body fixed, get rid of the medical defect and go on living, probably in total stealth. But the bottom line is that nobody achieves that 100%, that belongs to Ken and Barbie maybe... Just like we don't have 'the plan' to follow, neither does anyone have to follow that plan, they can get to where they want to be another way. The people who consider themselves to be the real deal in binary make me smile, because they all know that there is no one way to actually be one or the other. It's just their insistence that you are born one way and that's the way you are, you're tied to your genitals for life, so get over it, kind of thinking. Because they don't have to question their gender, they don't consider that some people do. But they do spend an awful lot of energy and money proving to themselves and others that they are who they were born as... Maybe that's where that thinking comes from, it just pisses them off after spending all that time, money proving a point, only to have some people defy it. The whole concept of binary for people is flawed from the start. It's based on one of those alternate realities, lol...
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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 20, 2017 12:04:20 GMT 8
I'm sorry Ativan, my phone froze mid-reply and I posted it, not realizing you had responded to the thread. I certainly agree with the points you have made. I just... I dunno. There is a strong aspect of me that screams cismale even though I was not born one. I'm sad that I'll never have a cismale chest and am jealous of transmen who have minimal scarring and get that "perfect" chest they've always wanted right off the bat. I'm sad that I probably will never have a cis-penis and have to settle for second best. But if you'd ask me if I could be reborn as a cismale with zero memory of this current lifetime, would I? I would hesitate to say yes. Because that would mean I wouldn't be the person I am today, as much as I would not have preferred to go through certain traumas (sexual coercion, abuse from narcissistic ex-gf)... and also if I had been born male, I would have most likely go on low dose E anyway and combat against male pattern baldness and excess body/facial hair. Hmm... I'm intrigued by this topic still. I want to do a study and survey on this with my local transmen group. I'm curious to see what the results will be, if they are varied or there is similarity in answers.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Mar 20, 2017 14:25:35 GMT 8
It's certainly a topic that can have a lot of depth to it. I'd be interested in the parts of their journey's that have helped to define them. What is their expectations of their destination, and do they think they will ever get there. But the journey, those times where you have reached the place where life pivots on a moment in time.
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I have tried to put this across elsewhere. There is no binary transgender. Even transsexuals can't be binary. Oh you can have all the surgeries, get breast augmentation, FFS, SRS and so on. But there will always be the XY and XX, sometimes XXY but genetics will always tell on you. SO say if I had full on SRS and had the boobs and even my love couldn't tell the difference between a surgical vagina and a natural vagina. We got married but couldn't have children but he thought I was a genetic woman. Maybe one day coming home or going to work a Tanker truck jackknifed in front of me and I hit it broadside and died in an explosive crash along with others and the only way they could identify all involved is through DNA. So the love of my life would be waiting for the DNA of his wife and a woman. When the DNA comes back as a genetic male, what will he think? The love of his life ran off? I mean It may not matter to me because I don't know what waits after death, but it would matter to him though. It is best to be honest. I mean how can someone be intimate with another person with such a big secret? I mean I would want to know and then decide for myself. I don't want someone to fall for me due to an image and never really get to know the real me. If me being a trans woman is a deal beaker for them then I don't want to fall for them anyway. I mean seriously though. I may have a cis gender female brain but why lie or hide the truth? I would not want my partner or husband to have to deal with the aftermath of a scenario when he is so worried about his wife. Fetishisms? Don't be so worried about that. Everyone has kinks and fetishes of what they like in a person. As long as your fetish and kinks are not the only thing you like and love about that person then no problems. I mean I do things for my partner when I have one that turns him on. Hairstyles, makeup he wants to se me wear, clothing and so on. So if he likes a little extra then so what. As long as he treats me accordingly to who I am. So why hide it? If he can't accept me then I really don't want him anyway. His loss, not mine because I just dodged a bullet and possibly the Jerry Springer Show.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Mar 26, 2017 0:24:44 GMT 8
Biology is not the be-all-end-all fact for transgender people. Nobody wants to be told that their ENTIRE existence boils down to the fact they are XY, XX and XXY. I sure fucking don't. It's exactly the kind of bullshit line the transphobic orange bus about to tour around US is saying, "If you are born a BOY, XY, you will always be a BOY.", "If you a born a GIRL, XX, you will always be a GIRL." Newsflash: There are instances where people are born XX or XY and are intersex. So it's not just XXY. I know, I'm shocked, I just found this out awhile ago when I was researching intersex for my own personal reasons, I never knew it was possible to be XX and intersex, XY and intersex. I always thought it was JUST XXY. There are XX, XX Intersex, XY, XY Intersex, XXX, XXY and XO (only one X chromosome). Here is the link: medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001669.htmThere's also this: In the end, biology is moot. I am XX Intersex and I was born with a clitoris that looks like a small penis. Ya, sure, tell me that I'm XX, biologically a woman when all I've ever known is that I'm male in mind and how I view my body, with a dick to show for it. Biology doesn't define shit other than propose a binary system upon people of what sex is - and ultimately, gender because people equate SEX with GENDER. I mean, yeah, sure, a partner should know past history, especially if the person is pre-op. Post-op though? Why the fuck does the person even need to know? Oh right, because some cisgender people don't wanna fuck transpeople. They'd rather fuck other cisgender people. They'd rather fuck "real" men and women, not fake imitations of them. I refuse to walk around my entire life, to have my biological sex as a burden, to tell every single intimate partner, "Oh, I used to be 46 XX, female intersex but now I'm male lol." FUCK THAT! I'm transitioning to have a better life, to be who I was meant to be, not to transition to have my past life, a minor circumstance involving my birth follow me around and haunt me until my dying days. Something that can't even be seen with a naked eye, it has to be done via a karyotype test or wait for the person's body to turn to dust and judge the person's skeletal pelvis size. Ya, that sounds totally realistic! Do you REALLY think I am going to let myself get hung up on something as trivial as fucking biology? FUCK THAT! This is why I am SO DAMN SICK of the trans community, the transpeople enforcing the gender binary until their dying breath and all these invisible rules, standards and boundaries WE are expected to stand by and WE are CHASTISED for questioning or going against them, stifling me from living my life the way I want to. Trans this, trans that, biological this, biological that, you should do this, avoid doing that, oh and if you don't do this, you'll be considered scum by all of us for breaking the precious trans etiquette, the precious little trans rulebook 101 that mustn't ever be broken. I refuse to live a life of misery following invisible rules and BS that serve to make me miserable rather than happy. Sometimes, I have to take a risk to be ME and be happy. If I end up dying because of it, at least it will have been on my own terms and not somebody else's. I refuse to live my life by other people's rules of what I should and shouldn't do. Fuck this and fuck you. I am so fucking sick of all this shit.
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Post by Trinity on Mar 26, 2017 3:17:27 GMT 8
I ripped into that bus on FB a few days ago.
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Post by Taka on Apr 8, 2017 1:24:32 GMT 8
echelon, you really should read tsuda matsuyo's manga "the day of revolution". some boys will get menstrual cramps in high school and think they're dying until the doc tells them they just have xx genes. and that woman made a manga about it, that takes a somewhat uncommon turn.
we're all most like just another form of intersex. there is no cis or trans brain. the brain has a certain number of receptors for these and those hormones, which creates an expectation that isn't always met. resulting in what many call transgenderism. there isn't even homosexuality in this world, they've luckily made sure to study that. people can be androsexual, gynesexual, both, or neither. (they actually only studied androsexuality, and it turns out that all androsexual people, regardless of their sex or gender, have the exact same reaction in their brain to the scent of manly sweat.)
there was some other biologist who wrote about biological sex, which is most definitely not decided purely by genetics. only (the possibility of) fertility is decided by whether the reproductive organs correspond with the presence or absence of Y chromosome(s).
i get your point about the brain. but i don't think it's too right to talk about a cis or trans brain. though the brain has need which will have to overrule the development of the rest of the body. like, even one legged people feel it's more natural to have two legs, and know how to use a prosthesis because the second leg is already programmed in the brain.
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Post by Leena on Apr 8, 2017 9:43:00 GMT 8
I wish to further expand on this theory: I realise I was thinking more-so about people going stealth but that executed my theory poorly. Again, this theory only applies to binary transfolk who pursue full-transition, who also have passing privilege and pass as their cis-counterparts. I'm still not liking this theory, especially the passing privilege part. Really, I feel like because I am non-passing, and have been trying to find a way to be OK with that, I'm less accepted as being transgender. It was really what led me to thinking I might be non-binary, but I still don't see why because I don't happen to be able to pass, that makes me non-binary. I probably could only see myself as likely being able to pass if I won the lottery and could afford a lot of FFS and probably some other work. But does my financial situation, or the fact that FFS is not covered in my country have anything to do with if I am binary or not? I'm just trying to find a way to live in this world as a non-passing trans woman. I have to present as a guy for work if I want a decent job. Does that really make me bigender or genderfluid though? I just need to eat... echelon, you really should read tsuda matsuyo's manga "the day of revolution". some boys will get menstrual cramps in high school and think they're dying until the doc tells them they just have xx genes. and that woman made a manga about it, that takes a somewhat uncommon turn. we're all most like just another form of intersex. there is no cis or trans brain. the brain has a certain number of receptors for these and those hormones, which creates an expectation that isn't always met. resulting in what many call transgenderism. there isn't even homosexuality in this world, they've luckily made sure to study that. people can be androsexual, gynesexual, both, or neither. (they actually only studied androsexuality, and it turns out that all androsexual people, regardless of their sex or gender, have the exact same reaction in their brain to the scent of manly sweat.) there was some other biologist who wrote about biological sex, which is most definitely not decided purely by genetics. only (the possibility of) fertility is decided by whether the reproductive organs correspond with the presence or absence of Y chromosome(s). i get your point about the brain. but i don't think it's too right to talk about a cis or trans brain. though the brain has need which will have to overrule the development of the rest of the body. like, even one legged people feel it's more natural to have two legs, and know how to use a prosthesis because the second leg is already programmed in the brain. There have also been people born with extra appendages and sometimes are able to use them. The human brain is quite adaptable to having different inputs, especially at a young age. I don't know that a cis, trans, or non-binary brain is much different. It is also a part of being human wanting to know why we are like we are. I personally think why I'm trans is more environmental than biological, though I know that opinion is controversial as well, because some people think if it is not biological it can be changed. I disagree, I tend to think the infant mind is genderless, and malleable, and encounters numerous men and women between the time of birth and the time the child can begin to express themselves, and it is in that time or shortly thereafter one's gender identity is formed, either identifying with the men or women around them, or not identifying with either.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Apr 9, 2017 1:04:55 GMT 8
I'm still not liking this theory, especially the passing privilege part. Really, I feel like because I am non-passing, and have been trying to find a way to be OK with that, I'm less accepted as being transgender. It was really what led me to thinking I might be non-binary, but I still don't see why because I don't happen to be able to pass, that makes me non-binary. I probably could only see myself as likely being able to pass if I won the lottery and could afford a lot of FFS and probably some other work. But does my financial situation, or the fact that FFS is not covered in my country have anything to do with if I am binary or not? I'm just trying to find a way to live in this world as a non-passing trans woman. I have to present as a guy for work if I want a decent job. Does that really make me bigender or genderfluid though? I just need to eat... You remind me a lot of my friend who is a transwoman but cannot be herself full-time and went back to using her male FB profile. She has to employ work as male because nobody will employ her as a transwoman since she is non-passing. She has recently begun identifying as non-binary because for her, that is easier to explain to people than to explain she is a transwoman who can't go full-time yet. It's OK to be a non-passing transwoman. It's OK to present as male to get work. No, being non-passing doesn't automatically make you non-binary (I'm sorry if anything I have said implies this). It doesn't make you bigender or genderfluid unless you feel that way. All that matters for the theory, is that if you feel you have a female brain, body-map, nerve wiring while having a male body. Your gender expression doesn't have to correlate with your brain or (ideal) body to be valid. Being non-passing doesn't invalidate your identity as a woman. You are equally female as any other. After all, there are a million ways to be a woman, there's no reason why you can't be your own personal, unique version of a woman that encompasses all that you are, even the parts of you who don't fit the social expectations and beauty standards of female. Cis-women aren't held to the strict beauty standards, I find it a shame that transwomen are expected to uphold such standards but you shouldn't have to uphold any kind of standard to be accepted as a woman. You are enough, just the way you are. Don't let anybody tell you you're any less than anyone else. echelon, you really should read tsuda matsuyo's manga "the day of revolution". some boys will get menstrual cramps in high school and think they're dying until the doc tells them they just have xx genes. and that woman made a manga about it, that takes a somewhat uncommon turn. we're all most like just another form of intersex. there is no cis or trans brain. the brain has a certain number of receptors for these and those hormones, which creates an expectation that isn't always met. resulting in what many call transgenderism. there isn't even homosexuality in this world, they've luckily made sure to study that. people can be androsexual, gynesexual, both, or neither. (they actually only studied androsexuality, and it turns out that all androsexual people, regardless of their sex or gender, have the exact same reaction in their brain to the scent of manly sweat.) there was some other biologist who wrote about biological sex, which is most definitely not decided purely by genetics. only (the possibility of) fertility is decided by whether the reproductive organs correspond with the presence or absence of Y chromosome(s). i get your point about the brain. but i don't think it's too right to talk about a cis or trans brain. though the brain has need which will have to overrule the development of the rest of the body. like, even one legged people feel it's more natural to have two legs, and know how to use a prosthesis because the second leg is already programmed in the brain. I looked into the manga you mentioned. It was interesting but turned me off when the main character was forced by their parents to change into a girl, even though they found out that as an intersex person, they could just remain as they are (which they wanted to), rather than changing to female. I mean, yeah, if you want to get technical about it, there's no such thing as a male or female, cisgender or transgender brain, that we all have the same genderless brains because in the end, we're human but that's getting off-topic. Yes, we're all human but we all have different views and perceptions of ourselves. I think that's worth discussing. I don't think it's too farfetched to talk about - I mean, you said it yourself here, Taking that into consideration, there's no reason why people with vaginas feeling inclined to have penis and testicles end up feeling much better after GRS, because their brain is programmed with nerve-wirings to respond to the sensation of having a penis and testicles. The same for people with penises who feel it's natural to have a vagina, end up feeling much better after GRS, etc. If a brain can be programmed to be conscious of two legs, surely it can be conscious of a set of genitalia it perceives itself to have, even if it is a set that doesn't match the body's? That is what I mean by a body-map, which can also include the nerve-wiring (e.g. I have male nerve-wiring instead of female despite female body, Trinity has female nerve-wiring instead of male despite male body)
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