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Post by Amato on Jun 10, 2016 9:30:57 GMT 8
I used to use the terms queer and genderqueer, but over time they just started to annoy me. They sound like terms that teenagers use and I'm getting kind of old for that sort of thing. Im thinking about dropping the gender fluid label too for the same reasons. No offense to people who like to use those terms, of course. These days I just tell people I like masculine and feminine pronouns and nothing else. Explaining my gender identity isn't something I bother with anymore.
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Post by EchelonHunt on Jun 10, 2016 9:40:34 GMT 8
Welcome back, Amato! And no offense taken, you do what you gotta do!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 23:07:08 GMT 8
I used to use the terms queer and genderqueer, but over time they just started to annoy me. They sound like terms that teenagers use and I'm getting kind of old for that sort of thing. Im thinking about dropping the gender fluid label too for the same reasons. No offense to people who like to use those terms, of course. These days I just tell people I like masculine and feminine pronouns and nothing else. Explaining my gender identity isn't something I bother with anymore. I'm with Amato on this. The older I get the less I really care for labels. I prefer feminine pronouns but if someone uses masculine pronouns then no big deal. Of course having to explain to people over and over again gets old so let them call me what they want. The words may bother me but they are just words and can't physical hurt me. BTW welcome back Amato.
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Ashton
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Post by Ashton on Jun 21, 2017 15:11:11 GMT 8
When I first began questioning my gender, I simply presumed I was probably MTF. The more I thought about it and tried to approach understanding myself in that way, the more I started to conclude that it wasn't precisely correct. Ultimately, I'm mostly ambivalent about having the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, but I definitely identify more strongly with femininity than masculinity, would like to present more feminine, would like if people referred to me with female pronouns on occasion etc, and being a dude *definitely* doesn't seem to fit or resonate. Another way to roughly explain is that if I were to create a numberline from -10 to +10 (with 0 in the center), -10 being A Woman and +10 being A Man, I would probably place between -2 and -7 depending on my mood. Maybe there's a more precise term for that (Genderflux deals with varying intensity, which seems to be the case with me), but Genderqueer just kind of works as a comfortably general label for the state of myself that I've described here. Of course, these sorts of labels can, realistically speaking, probably never account for the full nuance of experience of everyone's subjectivity. Such is the limitations of language, but none the less it mostly works as a kind of shorthand, and it helps me feel more coherent as a person to conceptualize these things in my own mind with this language.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 21, 2017 23:06:25 GMT 8
When I first began questioning my gender, I simply presumed I was probably MTF. The more I thought about it and tried to approach understanding myself in that way, the more I started to conclude that it wasn't precisely correct. Ultimately, I'm mostly ambivalent about having the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, but I definitely identify more strongly with femininity than masculinity, would like to present more feminine, would like if people referred to me with female pronouns on occasion etc, and being a dude *definitely* doesn't seem to fit or resonate. Another way to roughly explain is that if I were to create a numberline from -10 to +10 (with 0 in the center), -10 being A Woman and +10 being A Man, I would probably place between -2 and -7 depending on my mood. Maybe there's a more precise term for that (Genderflux deals with varying intensity, which seems to be the case with me), but Genderqueer just kind of works as a comfortably general label for the state of myself that I've described here. Of course, these sorts of labels can, realistically speaking, probably never account for the full nuance of experience of everyone's subjectivity. Such is the limitations of language, but none the less it mostly works as a kind of shorthand, and it helps me feel more coherent as a person to conceptualize these things in my own mind with this language. I want to post on this a bit later, you sure are in the right forum.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 22, 2017 5:10:13 GMT 8
Lol...i was gunna say something and realized I dont have something to say
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Post by Taka on Jun 22, 2017 6:06:00 GMT 8
When I first began questioning my gender, I simply presumed I was probably MTF. The more I thought about it and tried to approach understanding myself in that way, the more I started to conclude that it wasn't precisely correct. Ultimately, I'm mostly ambivalent about having the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, but I definitely identify more strongly with femininity than masculinity, would like to present more feminine, would like if people referred to me with female pronouns on occasion etc, and being a dude *definitely* doesn't seem to fit or resonate. Another way to roughly explain is that if I were to create a numberline from -10 to +10 (with 0 in the center), -10 being A Woman and +10 being A Man, I would probably place between -2 and -7 depending on my mood. Maybe there's a more precise term for that (Genderflux deals with varying intensity, which seems to be the case with me), but Genderqueer just kind of works as a comfortably general label for the state of myself that I've described here. Of course, these sorts of labels can, realistically speaking, probably never account for the full nuance of experience of everyone's subjectivity. Such is the limitations of language, but none the less it mostly works as a kind of shorthand, and it helps me feel more coherent as a person to conceptualize these things in my own mind with this language. in my own reality, if usong lines for simplicity, male and female aren't on the same line. they're two different lines, and some have a high score on one and low on the other. some have a low score on both, while others have a high score on both. i'm something like 20-50% on the f scale, and 50-80% on the male. but a color wheel works better for me. and if you say that male is red and female blue, there'd still be green, and every possible color that's a mix of those. more or less of each and every one, swirling around in patterns that can't be described. so the easier way is to not label myself. i'm me, and that should be enough.
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Post by Leena on Jun 22, 2017 6:46:36 GMT 8
When I first began questioning my gender, I simply presumed I was probably MTF. The more I thought about it and tried to approach understanding myself in that way, the more I started to conclude that it wasn't precisely correct. Ultimately, I'm mostly ambivalent about having the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, but I definitely identify more strongly with femininity than masculinity, would like to present more feminine, would like if people referred to me with female pronouns on occasion etc, and being a dude *definitely* doesn't seem to fit or resonate. Another way to roughly explain is that if I were to create a numberline from -10 to +10 (with 0 in the center), -10 being A Woman and +10 being A Man, I would probably place between -2 and -7 depending on my mood. Maybe there's a more precise term for that (Genderflux deals with varying intensity, which seems to be the case with me), but Genderqueer just kind of works as a comfortably general label for the state of myself that I've described here. Of course, these sorts of labels can, realistically speaking, probably never account for the full nuance of experience of everyone's subjectivity. Such is the limitations of language, but none the less it mostly works as a kind of shorthand, and it helps me feel more coherent as a person to conceptualize these things in my own mind with this language. I initially thought I was MTF also, I sometimes still do, though I don't entirely hate everything about my male body. The only thing physically that really bothers me about my body is that DHT tends to put hair places I don't want it and take away hair from the one place I do want it. The only issue I have at looking at it like a numberline, is what does that mean as far as indivdual characteristics? Looking at individual characteristics, while you can't pick and choose what hormones do, some of the individual characteristics can be changed by other means like laser hair removal, and it's of course some are much easier like growing your nails longer, or wearing different clothes. One could do HRT but keep their facial hair, someone else could do the opposite. There are all sorts of other combinations, when you throw in all of the physical characteristics, even more if you throw in personality characteristics that are deemed by society to be masculine or feminine. As for labels, I've probably tried them all, right now I'm going with transfeminine, though I seem to change it every month or two, because I really can't be described in just one word.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 22, 2017 7:54:51 GMT 8
, -10 being A Woman and +10 being A Man, The dreaded number scale, the percentage spectrum line from there to there... lol. It works as a very simple explanation, but the truth is, if you are on this imaginary line that doesn't exist at all, then you are a whole bunch of points, scattered along it from one end of the circle to the other, even the simple color wheel is like a shotgun blast to it, points all over the place. Ive talked about this in the past and recently, when the realization that it is you in a place and all of this stuff is just going past you. You reach out and take the things that work and the things that you need, you let go of things you don't need, they go off to who knows? It all comes to you from different directions, from everywhere and leaves the same way, unneeded stuff just goes in the direction it is cast off I suppose. There is no line, no spectrum, those are the explanations that people have given you because they don't get it. It's a trap, it puts you someplace as a single point on a line that has no depth, no width or length, just a point that doesn't exist, there never was a place to put a point like that, you are much more complicated and so full of different aspects that make you who you are. Taka is right about the swirling colors, we've talked about it before, it works in a way to visualize yourself. I've talked to Taka about things like this in the past, it came down to a Kline Bottle made of those colors, pouring into itself as it empties out... Gender aspects can be looked at as a flow of them that is always coming at you to pick from or use, and a flow going away which takes the discarded, the flow is from everywhere, your universe is all around you, so is the flow. You are so much more than a singularity on an imaginary line that doesn't exist, a line going through a spectrum that simply isn't there. There are aspects that some refer to as male, others that are female, but there isn't a lump of them to say that is them over there, along that line. Truth is, those aspects are only what they are to each person, what is this for that person, is that for another person. Gender is what you make of it, it doesn't make you, you build it aspect by aspect, discarding and collecting.
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Post by Ativan Prescribed on Jun 22, 2017 8:08:05 GMT 8
Lol...i was gunna say something and realized I dont have something to say It'll come to you, just give it time...
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koiandras
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Gender: Ambigender (Agender Woman / Libramasculine)
Presentation: Female
Presentation: Tomboy-femme
Pronouns: She/Her
Orientation: Bisexual
Orientation: Bisexual/Orchidian
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Post by koiandras on Nov 2, 2021 3:42:30 GMT 8
I prefer genderqueer to non-binary, because I feel I have an unconventional relationship with binary gender identities rather than feeling like I'm outside it or rejecting it. But that's just me. Before, I would have probably said I was gender non-conforming, but I don't think that actually fits now that I've given it more thought. The fact is, I don't really give any thought to how to express my gender explicitly. My preferences for this or that item of clothing/jewellery/makeup has resulted in me being in a perpetual state of tomboy-femme since the start of puberty.
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