The Old Finger Ratio Debate?

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OK so I was watching Fox News this morning and they had a story about the finger ratio. Of course it wasn't trans centered but, they said that men with a longer ring finger tend to pay more compliments to women. Even nicer to women. They even said that it was about being exposed to different hormone levels. Of course they never mentioned anything about gender issues related and I know that it is pretty unreliable when it comes to gender identification but, finger ratios being related to hormonal levels. They never really went to deep into it other than that.

But it kind of gives me hope that they are looking at exposure to hormonal levels as possible reasons for whatever.

What is everyone else's opinion? I mean I have seen ciswomen with longer ring fingers and I have seen cismen with longer index finger or a 1:1 ratio. Is this something that may lead to deeper studies of hormonal exposures and transgenders regardless of the finger ratio deal?

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Yeah but it is a good thing because things like exposure to prenatal hormones seems to affect personalities. And we are all just the sum of our personalities trans or cis. So. Just maybe the Rabbit Hole will lead to Wonderland in that we will be more accepted as different genders regardless of the body. 

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Oh geeze, the last time I read about that ratio, one of who knows how many different kinds, it had to do with gayness.
Because there is a difference, people assume it must be about something.
All it does for me is show that people will easily fall for some idea that a difference is more important than what we have in common.
Always trying to justify a difference is no better than bigotry. It is yet another passive/aggressive thing being pushed around in a circle.
That circle goes around bigotry. Sameness, no problems, but a difference in finger length?
'Aliens live in my attic crawl space' is more interesting and is likely based on better research and data. 

This has got to be somewhere around a few dozen or more reasons that people are more different because a very small difference in finger length must be the key that unlocks the secrets of the universe... 

I have been hearing things attributed to that finger ratio since the seventies. I saw one that your ancestry can be based on what your toes look like....
I think the length and the color of nail polish is a much better indicator of a person than the fricken ratio of two of them.

And 'Fox News'? really? The Jerry Springer of so called news entertainment? People just don't get that it is not an accredited news source, it is licensed as entertainment.
It is owned by a British guy and a Saudi Prince.

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This thread is like a perfect storm of things that irritate me, from the idea that Fox News is in any capacity reliable, to the finger ratio malarcky that I wish would hurry up and die already, to the feminist myth about college campuses being some horrible breeding ground for rape and victim blaming, to... Yeah... Blarg. I actually had to sit here for about twenty minutes just so I wouldn't let my emotions get the best of me and type out some long diatribe.

But then I'm grumpy this morning, anyway. Slept awful, had particularly unsettling nightmares, and then a friend called and woke me up waaaay too early in the morning. Still don't know what that was about... Hope everything's okay with her. She hasn't responded to the message I sent when I finally dragged myself out of bed.

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Feb 21, 2015 0:41:54 GMT 8 @pikachu said:

This thread is like a perfect storm of things that irritate me, from the idea that Fox News is in any capacity reliable, to the finger ratio malarcky that I wish would hurry up and die already, to the feminist myth about college campuses being some horrible breeding ground for rape and victim blaming, to... Yeah... Blarg. I actually had to sit here for about twenty minutes just so I wouldn't let my emotions get the best of me and type out some long diatribe.

But then I'm grumpy this morning, anyway. Slept awful, had particularly unsettling nightmares, and then a friend called and woke me up waaaay too early in the morning. Still don't know what that was about... Hope everything's okay with her. She hasn't responded to the message I sent when I finally dragged myself out of bed.

It probably has something to do with your finger ratio's... 

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But this is the point that I am trying to make. If the ratio deal no matter in what capacity can be somehow linked to a person's personality and exposure to prenatal hormones, what may follow? Like I said I have seen ciswomen with longer ring fingers and cis men with longer index fingers. I don't care about the finger ratio deal but this one little thing with being exposed to certain levels of prenatal hormones may lead to bigger and better studies. For me it is not about the finger because the one I use the most is my longest one anyway  but a study that draws any kind of attention to possible prenatal hormone exposures that effect a person's personality is a good thing. Yeah sure there are genders and yeah there is sexual orientation but when it comes down to it our personalities are what makes us who we are regardless of gender or sexual orientation. Besides how many people hide their sexual orientation and or gender identification that don't feel it nearly as strong as we do? Or at such lower levels it is just fantasies and or little quirks in their personalities? The answers may actually shock everyone.

Besides I think all cable news shows are just entertainment. Maybe with a side note of a world event thrown in.

I just thought it was interesting. I didn't mean to upset anyone but this would have been the first time that I have heard any mainstream news organization relate any personality trait to hormonal exposures in the womb.

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"everything" has to do with prenatal androgen (or foreign chemicals) exposure. much of the brain development has to do with it at least, and scientists are still trying to figure out what and why and how.
finger ratio has been linked to typical "male" traits like spacial perception. they're looking for links to personality traits, gender, srxual orientation.
the reason they're using finger ratio is probably that it's easier to use a sign of prenatal androgen levels, than actually measuring those androgen levels during pregnancy...

the only actual significance i've found, is that i find hands with a longer ring finger more male looking. i always wondered why my hands looked so manly. my fingers looked too long, even though they definitely aren't. turns out it's just my ring finger that's longer than the female average. an interesting thing that my brain picked up on long before i heard about the ratio.

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The apparent length is usually an illusion. Even if you can hold your fingers straight up, perpendicular to the base, it's not a natural way to hold them.
It takes very little to move them to one side or the other to change the apparent ratio.
So is it the actual length by measurement, or the apparent length that we see?
Try it, it's very easy to change the apparent ratio.
For most people, just holding their hands up and then looking at them from the palm and then the top of their hands changes the ratios.
Just that simple twist of the wrist changes the angle that our hands are and most people will look with their fingers straight up.
The base, the top of the palm, it changes when you twist you hand.
If you look at it a few times, it's easy to see why those two finger ratios change in apparent length.
So looking at others hands is dependent on how they are holding them.
They never say how they are measuring the ratio, but I assume it is the actual length, which we don't perceive them as because of hand position.
Besides,.. 'Fox News' (Just to throw that in for no apparent reason, much like what they broadcast) 

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you measure the length on the inside, where the skin folds between finger and hand, and to the fingertip. my ring fingers are long enough that it's difficult to change the apparent ratio keeping my fingers straight. i've compared to girly looking hands, the shape is very different.

human brain has a tendency to analyze things in ways that even computers can't. it's like how my mom knows the weather. she just sees it in the sky.

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Feb 23, 2015 1:34:45 GMT 8 Ativan Prescribed said:

The apparent length is usually an illusion. Even if you can hold your fingers straight up, perpendicular to the base, it's not a natural way to hold them.
It takes very little to move them to one side or the other to change the apparent ratio.
So is it the actual length by measurement, or the apparent length that we see?
Try it, it's very easy to change the apparent ratio.
For most people, just holding their hands up and then looking at them from the palm and then the top of their hands changes the ratios.
Just that simple twist of the wrist changes the angle that our hands are and most people will look with their fingers straight up.
The base, the top of the palm, it changes when you twist you hand.
If you look at it a few times, it's easy to see why those two finger ratios change in apparent length.
So looking at others hands is dependent on how they are holding them.
They never say how they are measuring the ratio, but I assume it is the actual length, which we don't perceive them as because of hand position.
Besides,.. 'Fox News' (Just to throw that in for no apparent reason, much like what they broadcast) 

Oh yeah change hand position and the illusion is there.

Fox News? OMG I want to be a fox news girl.  Hell, I'm blonde, I can show off some legs and wear the same high heels they do.  Why to you think I watch it? To me it's pretty much a style type deal instead of real news. But I do watch CNN too especially on the Weekend Express.

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Feb 23, 2015 3:54:52 GMT 8 Taka said:

you measure the length on the inside, where the skin folds between finger and hand, and to the fingertip. my ring fingers are long enough that it's difficult to change the apparent ratio keeping my fingers straight. i've compared to girly looking hands, the shape is very different.

human brain has a tendency to analyze things in ways that even computers can't. it's like how my mom knows the weather. she just sees it in the sky.

Yep, that's how I measured mine and I come up with a 1:1 ratio. But the fingers on my left hand are longer than the fingers on my right. But still the 1:1 ratio but they have been stretched a lot more than my right hand.