GBLTQ and losing faith TW be careful loved ones

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Went to an AA meeting last night that was a special meeting for GBLT folks.  There was one transperson there, a very nice young lady that I bonded with immediately.

But what I was struck by was the lack of faith, the anger at Christianity, the rejection of the Christian message and the search for another message that was inclusive of who they were.

The death rate is horrific, the number of long time sober people small.  The sobriety was quite good, but it was clear that most were struggling and had rejected the message and actually the core of the AA program, due to the dogma's of the conservative church, I believe.  That and many other things that has caused the community to fall away.

It is this great evil that has driven loved ones off the boards in some places, and stifles meaningful conversation and the ablility to grow and thrive as trans within the church or even the Christian spiritual realm.  The politics of it, the rigidity of it, as they miss, all of them, the heart of Christ and why He came here.

It is preposterous to me that we be excluded from any of Christ, the more evidence of physical causalities wipes out any notion of self will as regards the fact of our transsexual natures.   How we handle those natures, the collateral damage that is caused both by the matrix and also by change itself, and by trans puberty which is hard enough as it is.... flirting and crushes and all that.... you know the deal there.

So  the challenge is to take back our faith from those who would bar it or force a doctrine nobody can live. 

I would maintain that starts on the individual level, and then daring the community by being true to ourselves, and maybe later the church.  But until I confront my own pastor with the truth of it, it would be hypocritical for me to comment on them.  New wine in new wineskins.  He knew, He suffered, the old cannot contain the new, the joy of the new will blow apart that which holds us back as our time of completion draws near.  But we could lose the whole truth of it in the process.

I still maintain there is nothing wrong with living pure and being trans and  of whatever orientation we are cast as.   I maintain that hate and bitterness is a tool of the enemy of our souls, and that it is his method of destroying us, as the ones who try to live Christ outside of our commmunity see only prostitution, porn, lasciviousness and collateral damage.  The stealth they dont see.  They see only the veils.

-Trinity

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Sept 8, 2015 18:16:09 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Went to an AA meeting last night that was a special meeting for GBLT folks.  There was one transperson there, a very nice young lady that I bonded with immediately.

But what I was struck by was the lack of faith, the anger at Christianity, the rejection of the Christian message and the search for another message that was inclusive of who they were.

The death rate is horrific, the number of long time sober people small.  The sobriety was quite good, but it was clear that most were struggling and had rejected the message and actually the core of the AA program, due to the dogma's of the conservative church, I believe.  That and many other things that has caused the community to fall away.

It is this great evil that has driven loved ones off the boards in some places, and stifles meaningful conversation and the ablility to grow and thrive as trans within the church or even the Christian spiritual realm.  The politics of it, the rigidity of it, as they miss, all of them, the heart of Christ and why He came here.

It is preposterous to me that we be excluded from any of Christ, the more evidence of physical causalities wipes out any notion of self will as regards the fact of our transsexual natures.   How we handle those natures, the collateral damage that is caused both by the matrix and also by change itself, and by trans puberty which is hard enough as it is.... flirting and crushes and all that.... you know the deal there.

So  the challenge is to take back our faith from those who would bar it or force a doctrine nobody can live. 

I would maintain that starts on the individual level, and then daring the community by being true to ourselves, and maybe later the church.  But until I confront my own pastor with the truth of it, it would be hypocritical for me to comment on them.  New wine in new wineskins.  He knew, He suffered, the old cannot contain the new, the joy of the new will blow apart that which holds us back as our time of completion draws near.  But we could lose the whole truth of it in the process.

I still maintain there is nothing wrong with living pure and being trans and  of whatever orientation we are cast as.   I maintain that hate and bitterness is a tool of the enemy of our souls, and that it is his method of destroying us, as the ones who try to live Christ outside of our commmunity see only prostitution, porn, lasciviousness and collateral damage.  The stealth they dont see.  They see only the veils.

-Trinity

Ok Trinity, you know me. I think a lot of folks lose Faith and see the "Church" as the representation of Christ, of God and all that is Devine. The Church really does not represent Christ or God or Divine Love. They were around long before the churches and different faiths were established. I think you may be able to use that argument if you so wish.

As a matter of fact, Christ was crucified by the very belief that he was the Messiah of. So persecution seems to be a trend.

So we are transgendered, there is a Divine reason for it. What it is I will not even dare to guess because the reasons may be as abundant as the stars in the sky. It may truly be different for everyone. But it isn't Christ that persecutes us and not God but often times established religions which claim the name of God but made up by people and all people are capable of justifying hate. Even if it is in the name of Christ and God according to other humans. That is a sin in that they are taking and using the Lord's name in vain.

So in short, until the heavens open up and a thunderous voice comes from the sky saying, "Jamie! You are an abomination and will spend an eternity in hell because you are trans!" then I will start blaming Christ and God and being bitter toward them.

To be honest I am a little bitter toward some faiths and denominations but blaming God because of what humans have in their hearts and use The Christ and God as a means to justify their hate ( a lot of instances the hate they feel is sometimes directed and then deflected from themselves) is really a big sin. One that is not talked about very often in these establishments because that would mean they themselves are tarnished in Spirit. You know the little thing about not judging others.

As a matter of fact you can print this out and show it to the people in your next meeting. Hell there is a lot that I will have to make up for but judging others will not be one of them. I hope?? But I too am guilty of that. But no one is perfect, cis, trans, gay, lesbian, bisexual, red, yellow, black or white. The ones that claim to be are the ones you need to be very wary of.

On a last note though, your Faith, Your Love for our Creator and your devotion of Christ should be independant of any establishment or person. That relationship between God and yourself is a personal relationship in which no one can take away or tarnish. It is Pure and never let anyone or anything taint it with their ignorance.

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Going to an all trans AA meeting tomorrow night. Should be interesting.

I'm fine. I just wish folks would love each other.

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Sept 11, 2015 6:41:30 GMT 8 @star said:

I won`t engage in this discussion, my issues are gone, my triggers dismanteled
It still hurts to see the struggle for such a long time on this, without being able to be of any help
I know everybody has to find their own way in this and I deeply respect that, that`s why I keep
my opinions to myself, I don`t know the situations you are in and the emotions are big
But I can let you know that I care, I read, and I feel for you

So I guess we do as we always do
Struggle on, don`t give up until there is a solution
I do.....and I never give up before I have a desicion I can live with that feels right

I really think it sux when a lot of people thing that an establishment knows what is in the mind of who they worship or supposedly worship when the whole relationship with the Divine is and should be such a personal and unique event to each and everyone of us all instead of a one sixe fits all doctrine.

It sometimes does bother me too when people refer to God or our Creator as He. Who really knows? I don't. I do choose to perceive that our Creator is so beyond what our brains and material mindsets can perceive. I think Devine Creation is so much more than a church or particular religion.

That last part Star, to me anyway, is true wisdom and what should be important.

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Sept 11, 2015 9:14:01 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Going to an all trans AA meeting tomorrow night. Should be interesting.

I'm fine. I just wish folks would love each other.

I think deep down they really do. They just don't realize it. I hate to use an incident but take 9/11 when everyone in the whole country came together and mourned the deaths and realized that we were all just as vulnerable as ever. 3,000+ people died and I wonder what the LGBT ratio was? Probably pretty much average what the whole world is. Some might have been hidden, some out and about. Some struggling with it. people are people are people. We all have an inner self. And the key is from within one own self. If we want to change then we have to find that inside of us that wishes to change.

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Technically concerning the trinity its they and yet they are one. Elohim.  Also all elements of gender are contained in the Godhead. Has to be. Even conservatively speaking if Eve was created from Adam then Eve was in Adam all along.

But aside from that theology, which I don't wish to explore as I dont think it very relevent, I agree Jamie. The trick is the healing of it all.

I had 5 extended family members in or around the towers. All of them got out. One had gone down from the 65th floor of the tower to get a coffee. Her purse was incinerated while she was down there getting it.

But they all got out and walked home. We found out 3 days later they were alive. It was unpleasent to say the least, not knowing, one was holed up in a lobby for a full 24 hours because he has asthma and stepping outside would have been fatal.

I have very strong feelings about it all. And especially about anyone using religion of any kind to harm others.

That people feel driven to do that is awful.  Who would have the balls to attempt to manipulate God and God's truth to use it to hurt people.  How evil is that.

Reprehensible, and mostly done in ignorance and stubbornness.

Warned you all about this thread.  Its not good to bring it up, yet I think it must be discussed.  It is a great sin against the world of trans to interfere with our relationship to the God of our understandings.  A very great sin to cut anyone off from their God.  An evil thing.

Trinity.

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Sept 13, 2015 6:06:12 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Technically concerning the trinity its they and yet they are one. Elohim.  Also all elements of gender are contained in the Godhead. Has to be. Even conservatively speaking if Eve was created from Adam then Eve was in Adam all along.

But aside from that theology, which I don't wish to explore as I dont think it very relevent, I agree Jamie. The trick is the healing of it all.

I had 5 extended family members in or around the towers. All of them got out. One had gone down from the 65th floor of the tower to get a coffee. Her purse was incinerated while she was down there getting it.

But they all got out and walked home. We found out 3 days later they were alive. It was unpleasent to say the least, not knowing, one was holed up in a lobby for a full 24 hours because he has asthma and stepping outside would have been fatal.

I have very strong feelings about it all. And especially about anyone using religion of any kind to harm others.

That people feel driven to do that is awful.  Who would have the balls to attempt to manipulate God and God's truth to use it to hurt people.  How evil is that.

Reprehensible, and mostly done in ignorance and stubbornness.

Warned you all about this thread.  Its not good to bring it up, yet I think it must be discussed.  It is a great sin against the world of trans to interfere with our relationship to the God of our understandings.  A very great sin to cut anyone off from their God.  An evil thing.

Trinity.

I have never heard a preacher, priest or anyone else say something so wise Trinity.

Yeah Hon. It is so sad that so many of us are jaded due to religious doctrines. Don't take this the wrong way but something you can tell those that are jaded by religious dogmas is that God is way before Adam and Eve. Way before the Elohim. Way before the supposed big bang and is truly eternal and pure love for all creatures, great and small. that God is way above the bible even and is still alive today and still Loves us all Eternally no matter what. If a murderer can repent and they say he is forgiven and we are nothing but a bunch of trans people that wouldn't hurt anyone and God made our Spirit and the Spirit is what really matters but somehow we are not Divine Creatures. It really don't make much sense to me. To me we are more in tune with the Divine Creator than most others. this isn't from pride because the world will not let us feel that and we shouldn't anyway. But male and female in the same but still lower than the Divine Image. We are Spiritually one and materially the other. It isn't time yet. When we can be Spiritually both in Divine Harmony, equal in both then we have learned who we really are.

God made me who I am in a Spiritual sense so why repent for being trans. God made me female but nature made me male. Interesting that nature made me male since Lucifer rules this physical world now. But you know me dear friend and my beliefs but there are always arguments that hold water. I am a female Spiritually in a male body physically or materially. This body will only last so long but the Spirit eternal. So what am I, Male or Female? I am both. We all are. I choose female regardless of the body. Eventually I will have to make both balanced like the Divine Image but right now I can't. It is really too early in history but eventually we all will be.

But you can tell everyone that there is more to Divinity than jsut the Bible or religions. But everyone has to choose what is right for themselves.

A really good friend, actually my best friend growing up, told me several weeks ago on the phone that he would probably burst into flames if he went to church with his mom. I asked him why and he told me because he was gay. He asked me if I read his profile on facebook. I told him no because it didn't matter to me and then told him about me. We laughed about it and Ihad my regrets and he too. But it is sad that most churches don't accept LGBTs. Some do but in the south a lot don't. But I say judge no one because eventually you will be judged yourself. So I can't even judge those that hate us. All I can do is hope they find Enlightenment and change thier thoughts.

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Can you imagine the grief of Christ over all this? The pain it causes Him? For His loved ones to be denied the most basic right of all, the right to be children of the living, breathing God who came to get us off this earth?

Who do you think is behind the condemnation doctrines? Who twists scripture out of context to tempt and destroy? Its the power of darkness that feeds on the fear and hate and bitterness growing fat and laughing at the ones that took the bait, for Jesus warned they would be measured by their own yardsticks.

It is the very heart of God to love, to end loneliness, to make lifelong soulmates and relationships that are forever. Look at the fruit, i see bad fruit and it is coming from those planted with their roots in something that is not of the heart of Christ.

And i could wail in the Spirit for the many who give up and miss heaven and the unlimited assistance from above because their joy and lifeforce was stolen and raped by those who are bound by the rules and traditions Chist died for to free us from..so we could love even those who spit on us.

Take back this ground we have lost. Overthrow the darkness and be beacons of light and love and laughter.

Be the trans diamonds you were born to be. End this merciless night and find peace.

Trinity

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Sept 18, 2015 5:38:56 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Can you imagine the grief of Christ over all this? The pain it causes Him?  1. For His loved ones to be denied the most basic right of all, the right to be children of the living, breathing God who came to get us off this earth?

2. Who do you think is behind the condemnation doctrines? Who twists scripture out of context to tempt and destroy? Its the power of darkness that feeds on the fear and hate and bitterness growing fat and laughing at the ones that took the bait, for Jesus warned they would be measured by their own yardsticks.

It is the very heart of God to love, to end loneliness, to make lifelong soulmates and relationships that are forever. Look at the fruit, i see bad fruit and it is coming from those planted with their roots in something that is not of the heart of Christ.

And i could wail in the Spirit for the many who give up and miss heaven and the unlimited assistance from above because their joy and lifeforce was stolen and raped by those who are bound by the rules and traditions Chist died for to free us from..so we could love even those who spit on us.

Take back this ground we have lost. Overthrow the darkness and be beacons of light and love and laughter.

3.Be the trans diamonds you were born to be. End this merciless night and find peace.

Trinity

 1. But we are not denied that right. We just have to Embrace Divine, Eternal Love outside of a house or establishment that man has built the walls of. It's not up to a church to decide if our Creator and Jesus Love us. It is up to these two Divine Entities rom what is in our hearts.

2. That is extremely easy to answer. Man. Man encapsulating all humans not just males.

Dear Trinity. There is a lot to human Spirituality and our understanding of God and The Christ than what is in the Bible. There are ancient Texts that were found all over the world and hidden so not to be destroyed. The true bible is a lot more pages than the King James Versions.

I don't want to make you mad or hurt you or make you second guess yourself but your relationship with our Creator and Christ comes from more than the Bible. It comes from something deep within that you feel. To everyone these feelings are so unreal that we have to compare them to something that is concrete and gives us a sense of proof. I personally don't need proof of God. I don't claim anything other than God is too complicated for us to understand in our current state. All I know is that I feel that God IS. Who or what? I would be a fool to even try to guess. I would be sinning if I tried to put a face to the Creator of the Universe and possibly Multiverses. All I know is me and that is all that I can control to the best of my ability and I seek neither heaven or Hell but just Truth and Knowledge. I don't particularly care to go to heaven or hell but would rather have knowledge, enlightenment, righteousness and many other names you can and others have called it throughout history.

Number three is why I say there is something inside you besides a church or doctrines. If being trans is a sin, then I am a sinner. Hell I'm a sinner anyway, we all are. But I'm trans. I was made this way for some reason and I don't think it was to spend an eternity in hell. There is one really big secret in ancient texts about heaven and hell. But I won't say. Right or wrong we all have to search for ourselves. Sometimes in the Holy Bible, King James Version or outside the holy Bible in ancient texts that have been discovered. Maybe the texts were protected and hidden until the time is right when people can actually understand them. Just remember, with God all things are possible.

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The biggest thing for me is i feel Him. All the time. Its very real, very personal. I feel His feelings. They are not mine they are His, but He is in me and has stayed with me through it all.

And im not saying anyone trans is sinning. Because i dont think trans is a sin. Because i feel Him.

Tsj.

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