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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 1:48:38 GMT 8
You always have my respect Sweet Pea, you know that!
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Post by Taka on Feb 26, 2016 2:19:11 GMT 8
one of the best men i ever knew was a muslim. and one of the worst grew up in a christian home.
i don't think i should need to justify my opinion on how they present some news.
muslims aren't inherently evil. most respect other people rather than follow obsolete advice.
presenting a rapist as muslim rather than his actual identity is something yhey do consciously in order to spread hate against a larhe group of people, of who. most never deserved that hate.
they do the same with trans and gay people to. if one "different" commits a crime, haters will point out their identity as part of a group rather than their own actual identity, in order to cause more hate toward that group.
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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 2:46:53 GMT 8
one of the best men i ever knew was a muslim. and one of the worst grew up in a christian home. i don't think i should need to justify my opinion on how they present some news. muslims aren't inherently evil. most respect other people rather than follow obsolete advice. presenting a rapist as muslim rather than his actual identity is something yhey do consciously in order to spread hate against a larhe group of people, of who. most never deserved that hate. they do the same with trans and gay people to. if one "different" commits a crime, haters will point out their identity as part of a group rather than their own actual identity, in order to cause more hate toward that group. I get your point although I don't defend either group as all extremist groups give good people a bad rap. I don't buy into the PC apologetic mentality that so pervades the mindset of so many members of western "civilization" because there is a massive movement on to destroy and supplant it with a world wide Islamic Caliphate and I don't think Burkas are all that stylish and though I am rather homely, I still intend on keeping my head firmly attached. Regardless of how we both feel, let's agree to put a crimp into this conversation as it's bound to take us where we don't want to go.
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Post by Taka on Feb 26, 2016 3:18:53 GMT 8
well. i just can't stand any statement about how muslims as a group are.
european muslim women generally don't cover their hair. trans women can get grs easily in iran because that's better than breaking muslim laws about taking lo g hard things on the behind.
one of my heartbreaks was a beautiful muslim cishetero girl who never really prayed or covered her hair. neither did she wear ridiculous amounts of makeup, heels, or fashionable clothing like her mother wanted her to.
and i am currently teaching several beautiful muslim, christian, agnostic, and atheistic youths in the school where i work.
you're right that this discussion will easily take us in a direction that is not very good, but i'd like to tell you that anyone who attacks muslims as a group, in any way, is stepping on my maternal protective instincts.
those kids are mine as much ad their parents'. don't you dare.
(though i may share opinions about that islamic state and burkas, though i'd never call them representative of muslims.)
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Post by Mingma on Feb 26, 2016 4:36:46 GMT 8
This whole thread makes me grateful for the separation of church and state in most western nations. Regardless of your faith or ethnicity, misogyny, rape, and assault against women is wrong.
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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 5:55:18 GMT 8
(though i may share opinions about that islamic state and burkas, though i'd never call them representative of muslims.)Got that Mamma Bear! Though this is more my frame of reference as was the video.
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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 6:06:20 GMT 8
WTF? Not my idea of a religion that would do shit like this, and these apologist PC medical imbeciles are just as bad!
Writing in the British Journal of Medial Ethics, two U.S.-based doctors have proposed that as a “compromise solution,” it would be better to adopt a “more nuanced position” on Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) -- one “that acknowledges a wide spectrum of procedures that alter female genitalia.”
The doctors think that the worldwide drive in recent years to completely eradicate the brutal practice, without allowing “minor” modifications is "culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women."
They argue that criminalizing FGM in Western countries has pushed the practice underground in the U.K. and the U.S. and given rise to “vacation cutting,” a phenomena where girls are taken to their native countries during summer vacations for the harmful and traumatic procedure.
Doctors Kavita Shah Arora, director of quality, obstetrics and gynecology at the MetroHealth Medical Center in Cleveland and Dr. Allan Jacobs, professor of reproductive medicine at Stony Brook University, believe that minor alterations of the female genitalia do not “reach the threshold of a human rights violation” and should not be considered child abuse.
Although the doctors say that a “wide spectrum” of procedures that alter the female genitalia would be acceptable, they fail to delineate exactly what these alterations would entail, save for two specifically mentioned: a small cut to the external genitalia or the removal of the hood that covers the clitoris.
The faultiness of their arguments is many-fold. But first, let us own up to the facts.
FGM is a brutal, barbarian practice in which involves partial or complete removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
FGM ranges from the removal of the clitoral hood, the partial or total removal of the clitoris, the removal of part or all of the exterior female genitalia including the labia minora and labia majora to the stitching or narrowing of the vaginal opening, leaving a small opening for urine and menstrual blood.
The procedure, in its worst cases, can also involve burning the tissue, scraping of tissue surrounding the vaginal orifice, cutting inside of the vagina itself or introduction of corrosive substances into the vagina for the purpose of tightening.
Horrific and permanent side effects are associated with FGM.
Every year, it is estimated that 3 million girls undergo FGM, with over 200 million women in over 30 countries estimated to have endured the procedure.
The doctor’s claim that mutilating babies, girls and young women is “culturally insensitive” and “discriminatory towards women” is outrageous, when considering that the “minor” alterations proposed are both traumatic and life-changing.
A simple medical search of the purpose of the clitoral hood – which the doctors blithely propose removing – shows that this part of the body not only has tremendous immunological importance to a woman’s body but also greatly contributes to a woman's sexual pleasure, without which, sexual relations may be painful.
As for a “simple” nick, “it’s a lie for anyone who thinks that a nick will reduce the harm,” says Mariama Diallo, a counselor and African community specialist at Sanctuary for Families, a New York–based gender violence nonprofit organizations. “The effect on the survivor is the same. The psychological effect is exactly the same.”
The doctor’s argument that the West’s criminalization of FGM has pushed it underground in Western countries is not a defensible claim. Worldwide efforts to completely eradicate FGM – by educating communities in Africa and the Middle East (where the great prevalence occurs) have made tremendous strides.
Changing attitudes in these Third World countries has a tremendous influence on their natives who have immigrated to the West. The combination of changed attitudes and criminalization can be a powerful deterrent to an immigrant family’s decision not to have their daughter cut.
Voicing the criticism of anti-FGM campaigners who have said that this proposal would undermine the international push to completely eradicate the practice, Diallo asks, “How can we end FGM by a nick?”
Writing on his Facebook page, Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser says more bluntly, “Both as a bioethicist of 20 years and as a lifetime anti-Islamist Muslim dedicated to reform I am beyond horrified by the position of these so called “ethicists” based in the US (Cleveland and NYC). There is NO compromise against the immorality and barbarism of FGM. To give some utilitarian explanation or excuse gives the Islamist supremacists and theocrats a pass and sets the clock back hundreds of years upon the movement for women’s rights in Muslim communities.”
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Post by Trinity on Feb 26, 2016 6:09:03 GMT 8
I've been avoiding this thread on purpose.... feelings can get hurt fast between people I love...
but I will say, people are people. And extreme ideologies can wound the world, no matter from what viewpoint, which organized system.
And people who have no hearts, they do bad things. People that have love do nice things.
And everyone is capable of loving and being loved.
I did like the girl defending herself. Forget about the slant on it.
We need to know how to defend ourselves. Of all people, we especially need to know it. And that's the point really.
Its sad that he thought he could do what he did, if anyone ever strikes a woman around me they will be on the ground. Mama bear would see angry fairy.
It should never, ever come to that point. It is against every male instinct to strike a woman.
Shame on him. Whoever he is. I don't give a darn about what religion he is, he has no class, he has no shame. He is a bully.
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Post by Mingma on Feb 26, 2016 7:19:32 GMT 8
Thank you Trinity. The incivility and violence shown is the appalling theorem, and that we need all be aware and prepared to respond is the leading corollary. Ming
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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 7:23:55 GMT 8
Thank you Trinity. The incivility and violence shown is the appalling theorem, and that we need all be aware and prepared to respond is the leading corollary. Ming Is an appalling theorem? is the leading corollary? Gee doc, you're going to have to ratchet it down to where us regular peasants can understand what you're saying hon.
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Post by Mingma on Feb 26, 2016 7:27:49 GMT 8
Thank you Trinity. The incivility and violence shown is the appalling theorem, and that we need all be aware and prepared to respond is the leading corollary. Ming Is an appalling theorem? is the leading corollary? Gee doc, you're going to have to ratchet it down to where us regular peasants can understand what you're saying hon. Often a group of lemmas are used to prove a larger result, a "theorem." A corollary is something that follows trivially from any one of a theorem, lemma, or other corollary. However, when it boils down to it, all of these things are equivalent as they denote the truth of a statement. Clearer? LOL
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Post by Trinity on Feb 26, 2016 8:22:49 GMT 8
Is an appalling theorem? is the leading corollary? Gee doc, you're going to have to ratchet it down to where us regular peasants can understand what you're saying hon. Often a group of lemmas are used to prove a larger result, a "theorem." A corollary is something that follows trivially from any one of a theorem, lemma, or other corollary. However, when it boils down to it, all of these things are equivalent as they denote the truth of a statement. Clearer? LOL I need a blonde wig. Because if I was blonde I might have the slightest clue what you are talking about. I thought a lemma was something you rode in. Hows that for stereotyping... omg Cynthia's gunna kill me about this blonde thing. And where is Aisla when you need her to explain all these big words.... LOL. Ativan would have a field day with it, though this thread will really piss them off.... Maybe I can derail it into being about cucumbers. Blonde cucumbers.
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Post by Shan on Feb 26, 2016 8:32:35 GMT 8
I thought of Lemmings, those little furry buggers that run of a cliff in large numbers sometimes.
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Post by Trinity on Feb 26, 2016 8:40:48 GMT 8
Lemma see if I can find you one
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Post by Taka on Feb 26, 2016 9:11:05 GMT 8
since someone mentioned fgm, i'd just like to say that it has nothing to do with islam, except that islam failed to forbid it when the tribed that practice fgm converted to the religion.
and it's the women who keep this practice alive in way too many cases. one of the first african women to bring attention to this problem in norway, tells about how her father, an imam, was begging his wife not to do this to their daughter. to no avail, because the women were set to do it whether or not the religion wanted it.
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