Huffington Post - Supreme Court Will Take Up Gay Marriage

[EchelonHunt]

www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/supreme-court-gay-marriage_n_6439926.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

It's not transgender-related but I thought since there are transgender folks who ID as lesbian or gay, that this would be crucial to share. Equal rights for all, regardless of gender or sexuality!

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Guess we'll see what rolls out of that situation and no doubt have much more to comment about by then.

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In a way it is Jayce. If a MTF wanted to marry her boyfriend but hasn't jumped through all the hoops or a FTM wanted to marry his girlfriend but again hasn't jumped through the hoops.

Sorry I don't want to hijack your thread but... Who the hell has a right to someone can't enter a marriage contract just because? What about if a FTM and MTF wanted to get married? Would that be a problem? Freaking technicalities. Technically, even if not psychologically, they are the right gender.  Is there anyone that would fight over that? Why is this such and issue. Does it really hurt anyone? The states should be happy because of the money from marriage licenses it would pull in. The people of mainstream religions should be happy7 because they charge to marry people. OMG lawyers should be happy because in the case of divorce they could charge. Sorry my friends but this is why I think marriage should be outlawed for everyone. I can claim my love for a person and vow to live my life for them and vow for dedication to them and only them to God which is the same thing even if not recognized by the state or federal government. Do I really need either of these tell me who I can dedicate my life to? Or is it between me and my mate and God and dedication to all three?

But for those that state or federal governmental sanctioned marriage means something, I hope for the best. But to me, it is all about dedicating my life to who I love and them dedicating their life to me and unending love in front of a Devine entity that is all about love. I don't need or want the state or federal government to tell me who I can be soul mates with. That is something neither have nothing to do with other than business and making money.

Love is between me and someone else. Not me and someone else and the government. I don't really need a piece of paper to declare my undying love to someone else.

So sorry to be down on marriage.

[Leena]

Why should the government have anything to do with marriage? It is a religious ceremony, that should have nothing to do with law. Most marriages end in divorce, so it would actually be better if the government didn't recognize them at all, unfortuantatlly that doesn't seem to be the way this is going. Why should the courts even be involved when a marriage breaks up. and why should it not be like a roommate situation breaking up you, keep what you had before and what you bought as yourself, and joint ownership of anything should be discouraged, and joint bank accounts should be prohibited, though joint ownership of things like houses makes sense, and should automatically be split 50/50 always, same thing with custody of any kids, and with anyone arguing against it, having to pay some high fee to even file.

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Jan 22, 2015 15:04:04 GMT 8 Leena said:

Why should the government have anything to do with marriage? It is a religious ceremony, that should have nothing to do with law. Most marriages end in divorce, so it would actually be better if the government didn't recognize them at all, unfortuantatlly that doesn't seem to be the way this is going. Why should the courts even be involved when a marriage breaks up. and why should it not be like a roommate situation breaking up you, keep what you had before and what you bought as yourself, and joint ownership of anything should be discouraged, and joint bank accounts should be prohibited, though joint ownership of things like houses makes sense, and should automatically be split 50/50 always, same thing with custody of any kids, and with anyone arguing against it, having to pay some high fee to even file.

I would give you ten thumbs up if I could for this statement.

But marriage is a big business. The states make money off of it. If the marriage fails then the lawyers make money off of it and since most politicians are lawyers or were, why would they cut their own comrade's throats from making big bucks.  It is a money trail.

The only thing I disagree with you on is that it used to be a religious ceremony where two people dedicate their lives to one another in front of witnesses and their creator or other devine entity. Now though it is a lawful ceremony. HMM. What about "separation between church and state"? Why is the government involved in marriage at all if it is a religious ceremony. Shouldn't the government stay out of it. So you can't pray in schools but you have to beg and then pay the government to we locked into "Holy Matrimony" to the one you love? Kind of hypocritical.

[Taka]

marriage is a civil matter, much more than it is religious. in the past, people never got married in church, that was a quite foreign thought. they only saw the priest after getting married, to get the blessings. that's the only religious part of marriage, and how things should be. and this is also the reason why it's ridiculous to not allow gay marriage. it's a civil matter, a contract between two people. nothing to do with religion, except religious people would want their god's blessings to ensure a good life together.

marriage is important to many couples. has to do with sharing household, and in most cases also children. who gets what if something happens, and who has a right or duty to take care of the kids (before the age of dna testing to find the real father).

don't look down on the importance of marrige if you have something to lose. and don't mix in religion when discussing law.

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I plan on getting married someday to my partner, and this affects me because we're a same sex couple by any definition (born the same sex, identify as the same sex). It has nothing to do with needing a contract to prove anything. To me it's all about a tradition that I want to carry on. I want to propose to her. I want to put a ring on her finger. I want to see her in a wedding dress. I want to legally take her last name. I want to be able to say she's my wife and I'm hers. I want our love to be recognized legally as the eternal commitment it is. I want all those things, just as my parents and grandparents had with their partners.

So that's where I disagree with Jamie's view. I don't need marriage to legitimize my relationship. She's already my soul mate. But marriage is still something I am very much in favour of and would never want to see abolished or outlawed.

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I really hate to quote the person that said this, but it is so true about any kind of legislation, "Follow The Money Trail!" In other words the cost to every entity having any vested financial interest in the outcome of a piece of legislation weighs heavily on the minds of the legislators who are more concerned with being reelected than they are with the needs of a particular group. Since legislators have been in fear of alienating the money entities and dragging their feet on this issue for so long we now have to rely on a panel of judges to decide on the course of the future life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for many. 

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Feb 10, 2015 22:58:21 GMT 8 Shan said:

I really hate to quote the person that said this, but it is so true about any kind of legislation, "Follow The Money Trail!" In other words the cost to every entity having any vested financial interest in the outcome of a piece of legislation weighs heavily on the minds of the legislators who are more concerned with being reelected than they are with the needs of a particular group. Since legislators have been in fear of alienating the money entities and dragging their feet on this issue for so long we now have to rely on a panel of judges to decide on the course of the future life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for many. 

Why would you hate quoting me Shan? You mad at me?  But it is sad that so many people make money off of something that is so pure as love. Marriage should be between two people that love one another and no one else. If they so choose to make it a religious ceremony, does God really need the money for a marriage license? Or does the government? Does God really need the money that you pay a priest, preacher, minister or whoever else that performs the ceremony? Or does that person need or want the money? Not to mention all the wedding planners, all the companies that have their hands in the marriage business and so on, which could probably care less who the marriage is between.

OK so I live in La. No "gay" marriage here. But if I wanted to marry my BF and him me, we couldn't. But they still say marriage is between a man and woman. Well. :rolleyes:since I identify as female and he male, isn't that a man and woman? Just sayin' in my case but are these people so obsessed with genitals that they can't think of anything else. Or maybe they are afraid because they may actually want to marry someone that don't classify as physically male or female. Temptation? And securing their own image? People are strange.

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Feb 10, 2015 19:50:09 GMT 8 @pikachu said:

I plan on getting married someday to my partner, and this affects me because we're a same sex couple by any definition (born the same sex, identify as the same sex). It has nothing to do with needing a contract to prove anything. To me it's all about a tradition that I want to carry on. I want to propose to her. I want to put a ring on her finger. I want to see her in a wedding dress. I want to legally take her last name. I want to be able to say she's my wife and I'm hers. I want our love to be recognized legally as the eternal commitment it is. I want all those things, just as my parents and grandparents had with their partners.

So that's where I disagree with Jamie's view. I don't need marriage to legitimize my relationship. She's already my soul mate. But marriage is still something I am very much in favour of and would never want to see abolished or outlawed.

Disagree with me? really? Just kidding. I saw this morning that in your state it will probably become a reality. I still have an excuse though.

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Feb 11, 2015 3:28:35 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Feb 10, 2015 22:58:21 GMT 8 Shan said:

I really hate to quote the person that said this, but it is so true about any kind of legislation, "Follow The Money Trail!" In other words the cost to every entity having any vested financial interest in the outcome of a piece of legislation weighs heavily on the minds of the legislators who are more concerned with being reelected than they are with the needs of a particular group. Since legislators have been in fear of alienating the money entities and dragging their feet on this issue for so long we now have to rely on a panel of judges to decide on the course of the future life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for many. 

Why would you hate quoting me Shan? You mad at me?  But it is sad that so many people make money off of something that is so pure as love. Marriage should be between two people that love one another and no one else. If they so choose to make it a religious ceremony, does God really need the money for a marriage license? Or does the government? Does God really need the money that you pay a priest, preacher, minister or whoever else that performs the ceremony? Or does that person need or want the money? Not to mention all the wedding planners, all the companies that have their hands in the marriage business and so on, which could probably care less who the marriage is between.

OK so I live in La. No "gay" marriage here. But if I wanted to marry my BF and him me, we couldn't. But they still say marriage is between a man and woman. Well. :rolleyes:since I identify as female and he male, isn't that a man and woman? Just sayin' in my case but are these people so obsessed with genitals that they can't think of anything else. Or maybe they are afraid because they may actually want to marry someone that don't classify as physically male or female. Temptation? And securing their own image? People are strange.

Rush Limbaugh is that really you?

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Feb 11, 2015 5:41:02 GMT 8 Shan said:

Feb 11, 2015 3:28:35 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Why would you hate quoting me Shan? You mad at me?  But it is sad that so many people make money off of something that is so pure as love. Marriage should be between two people that love one another and no one else. If they so choose to make it a religious ceremony, does God really need the money for a marriage license? Or does the government? Does God really need the money that you pay a priest, preacher, minister or whoever else that performs the ceremony? Or does that person need or want the money? Not to mention all the wedding planners, all the companies that have their hands in the marriage business and so on, which could probably care less who the marriage is between.

OK so I live in La. No "gay" marriage here. But if I wanted to marry my BF and him me, we couldn't. But they still say marriage is between a man and woman. Well. :rolleyes:since I identify as female and he male, isn't that a man and woman? Just sayin' in my case but are these people so obsessed with genitals that they can't think of anything else. Or maybe they are afraid because they may actually want to marry someone that don't classify as physically male or female. Temptation? And securing their own image? People are strange.

Rush Limbaugh is that really you?

Busted.  Not really. I just said something like that in an earlier post.  I'm way prettier than Rush and wear way more makeup and have a better body.  Not to mention the women's fashions. I don't think Rush wears high heels or some cute wedges, short shorts or skirts with a sleeveless blouse or tank top.  I can just imagine though. Seriously though I can imagine. It may not be that far from the truth.

I just think if you are gonna' outlaw marriage for one group, they should outlaw it for everyone and see how they like it.

But seriously though, I don't have to pay to dedicate my whole being to someone else no matter their sexual orientation or gender in the eyes of god. All I have to do is be totally true to that person. I ain't quite sure though if I'm to that point yet even though I have been "encouraged" to take a trip to Massachusetts. I just can't yet so soon. Ya know? I do have an excuse that La don't honor same sex marriage. So unless I jump through all the freakin' hoops I got an excuse. Maybe I shouldn't though.  Maybe I need to stop being such a bitch because he does care. :'(I just don't know though.

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Feb 11, 2015 6:01:38 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Feb 11, 2015 5:41:02 GMT 8 Shan said:

Rush Limbaugh is that really you?

Busted.  Not really. I just said something like that in an earlier post.  I'm way prettier than Rush and wear way more makeup and have a better body.  Not to mention the women's fashions. I don't think Rush wears high heels or some cute wedges, short shorts or skirts with a sleeveless blouse or tank top.  I can just imagine though. Seriously though I can imagine. It may not be that far from the truth.

You just never know some of the most unlikely people will fool you, even J. Edgar Hoover of all the creepy most people was a cross dresser!

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Hee hee hee! Oh god... Did you two really have to go and put the image of Rush Limbaugh in short shorts and a blouse in my head?

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Feb 11, 2015 6:14:25 GMT 8 Shan said:

Feb 11, 2015 6:01:38 GMT 8 @jamie said:

Busted.  Not really. I just said something like that in an earlier post.  I'm way prettier than Rush and wear way more makeup and have a better body.  Not to mention the women's fashions. I don't think Rush wears high heels or some cute wedges, short shorts or skirts with a sleeveless blouse or tank top.  I can just imagine though. Seriously though I can imagine. It may not be that far from the truth.

You just never know some of the most unlikely people will fool you, even J. Edgar Hoover of all the creepy most people was a cross dresser!

No Shan. I know. people tell me shit that I don't even want to know sometimes. Ughhh. J Edgar Hoover. (puke) If he would have embraced it and was honest with it, how good could we have it now? Maybe, maybe not but....