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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 1:22:50 GMT 8
When I first saw it, I took it as meaning all of the different groups under the transgender umbrella. It was a short hand way to say transgender. It is used in some ways to mean 'all of those' or 'anything that could go here' kind of a thing. I make spam filters when I get something from xyz.whatever.com, I create the filter as *.whatever.com. So anything that comes from .whatever.com is filtered out of my mail and deleted before it goes anywhere. Also as a bullet point. *Did I say that right? to me, it's that star thing... The use of it as Trans* is fading away as fast as it showed up. I use it that way if it's more formal and going to be read by a general audience, otherwise, it's a pain in the * *ass Hmmmm *ass huh? gee that sounds so familiar! Laura has been known to call me that at times, for awhile I thought she was citing someone's famous initials U.S. like US Grant, but then they somehow became my own initials when things got dicey here.
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Post by Taka on Nov 24, 2014 7:29:13 GMT 8
maybe it's really meant like a footnotey thing. all trans* people
*includes non-binary etc
but when no footnote is presented, it's too easy to read it as a wildcard.
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Post by Edge on Nov 30, 2014 7:48:03 GMT 8
I'm one of the lazy people who thinks trans is short for anything that starts with trans.
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Post by DCW on Nov 30, 2014 15:20:08 GMT 8
It likely came from a trans person who was involved in IT (in most computing systems, "*" is a wildcard character that can match any number of other characters, usually including none.)
I've taken to not worrying too much about the terms as, in the general since, there will never be agreement. It's similar to the discussions of the four (that I know of) initialisms GAS, GCS, GRS, and SRS, for each of which have I heard spirited defenses and arguments why the others are wrong.
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Post by Taka on Nov 30, 2014 19:49:51 GMT 8
gcs - gender confusing surgery...... what it should be called is up to the one who's getting it. we all have different reasons or views, none is more or less correct than the other. and the initialisms can be read in so many wrong ways that quarreling about them seems pointless to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 1:39:18 GMT 8
It likely came from a trans person who was involved in IT (in most computing systems, "*" is a wildcard character that can match any number of other characters, usually including none.) I've taken to not worrying too much about the terms as, in the general since, there will never be agreement. It's similar to the discussions of the four (that I know of) initialisms GAS, GCS, GRS, and SRS, for each of which have I heard spirited defenses and arguments why the others are wrong. You left out GDS (gender defining surgery) just had to add that so that I won't feel left out of the conversation! Let's see now is it a boy *** or a girl?
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Post by DCW on Dec 1, 2014 5:59:31 GMT 8
I think I'm going to go with GDS: God Damned Syntax!
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Post by Kelly on Dec 1, 2014 11:18:23 GMT 8
Because an Obelix would take up the whole page..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 13:07:21 GMT 8
It likely came from a trans person who was involved in IT (in most computing systems, "*" is a wildcard character that can match any number of other characters, usually including none.) I've taken to not worrying too much about the terms as, in the general since, there will never be agreement. It's similar to the discussions of the four (that I know of) initialisms GAS, GCS, GRS, and SRS, for each of which have I heard spirited defenses and arguments why the others are wrong. LOL! Yeah, I remember how confused I was the first time I entered a community of other trans people and everyone was throwing around all sorts of terms and initialisms/acronyms I'd never heard before. I had known exactly one other trans person before that and had picked up her preferred terminology, thinking it was the standard. All of a sudden I had to figure out what all this new stuff meant - GAS, GCS, GRS, MAAB, FAAB, GAAB, GG, BA... oh my god, I felt so lost!
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Post by DCW on Dec 1, 2014 13:17:47 GMT 8
IMHO, the terms have their place and use (there are some discussions that are far more expedient if we have a meaningful glossary) and self identification is important. That said, I get so tired of the policing of others that happens in far too many trans communities. After catching shit about working in IT and riding motorcycles from cis women with M.D. degrees (only tolerated at all because they held my access to HRT) my patience for it is worn thin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 13:24:52 GMT 8
I agree. People should be allowed to identify as and use any terms they like. And I'm sorry you had to put up with those dumb stereotypes getting in the way of your treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 22:35:21 GMT 8
IMHO, the terms have their place and use (there are some discussions that are far more expedient if we have a meaningful glossary) and self identification is important. That said, I get so tired of the policing of others that happens in far too many trans communities. After catching shit about working in IT and riding motorcycles from cis women with M.D. degrees (only tolerated at all because they held my access to HRT) my patience for it is worn thin. Count me with you on those issues. I think that my tolerance for that and a lot of other drama and BS is so extremely minimal that I may be something of a curmudgeon at this point, I fight it constantly though it's probably just age related and I may be stuck with it.
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Post by ThePhoenix on Dec 3, 2014 2:49:26 GMT 8
It's pretty rare that you will see me use "trans" without the *. Even the organization I started is called Trans*Unity. With the *. Those who leave it out are misspelling our name. The reality is that many transgender spaces and discussions do exclude non-binary identities or they welcome only a small part of that community. The trans* community can be very exclusive, maybe more than the cis community can. Usually when people, especially binary identified people, talk about transgender they mean mtf or ftm and they give very little thought to other identities. But my work as an activist and a community builder and organizer is about all identities. I will not stand for the exclusion of anyone. That includes nonbinary people. And that also includes even people with stigmatized identities like shemale, genderfuck, detransitions, autogynephilic persons, and others. It even includes cisgender allies. But if I want to make clear that I am inclusive in a space that is not inclusive, then I need ways to show the difference. Using trans* is one of those ways. It's the broadest, most inclusive term in existence for the whole range of non-cisgender identities. It has a somewhat geeky origin in that * is a wildcard used in computer operating systems to stand for anything. Inclusion is its entire reason for existing. So using it is one way in which I (hopefully) show that I am inclusive of a wide range of identities. And I think it is double important for me to show that because I'm a rather binary type person myself. What I don't understand is how bothered some people are by the *. If you don't think it's useful, don't use it. But why get upset about it, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 6:02:39 GMT 8
Using trans* is one of those ways. It's the broadest, most inclusive term in existence for the whole range of non-cisgender identities. It has a somewhat geeky origin in that * is a wildcard used in computer operating systems to stand for anything. Inclusion is its entire reason for existing. So using it is one way in which I (hopefully) show that I am inclusive of a wide range of identities. And I think it is double important for me to show that because I'm a rather binary type person myself. I just got an education about something I had never known about!
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Post by Anato on Dec 4, 2014 10:11:04 GMT 8
I remember this issue. I used the term trans* for a long time simply thinking of it as the shorthand for transgender as the umbrella term for everyone. Personally, I'm gonna keep using it this way, because most people I meet also use it in this way.
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