Christianity thread Why is He grieving?

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I have felt this many times when in communal prayer. I feel the overwhelming sorrow that the Holy Spirit and Jesus feel. As it relates specifically to trans, to us.

A word came, whether of me or above, it was quiet, not auditory, but it came nonetheless.

...Transcend...

What grieves God concerning Trans, concerning us?

It is strong, I felt it from when I startedxhormones, I feel it now, in prayer, when I wire in, when I jack into Him. Commune with Him as we all do, interceding, seeking direction, seeking His will.

Why is He so sad, why does God cry for us?

Trinity

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Some guilt mongers would say that like Lucifer we have stepped out of our allotted place. I don't buy that argument because that would negate what Christ has done for all mankind through His personal sacrifice on the cross which would be a gross insult to God. I know for certain that the source of any guilt feelings anyone has about their own transsexualism doesn't emanate from God.

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Yeah. Doesn't feel like that at all.

More like sadness that we suffer, feel cut off, go through hell, because we are different.

Felt like He feels what we feel, and it hurts Him.

That it isn't supposed to be like this.

That He loves us.

Trinity

[Laura J]

There's no way to know the reasoning of God.?
Thats how so many people in the world can judge and condemn others, and then say its in the name of God. If i were God, that would cause me much sadness.

Everyone is different when it comes to what we feel when we seek out God and enter into prayer.

All I know is that God made us this way, he is not disappointed in us embracing our trans selves, I feel I've been blessed for it. Like God feels that finally I've found this gift he had for me all along, but i could not find. That doesn't mean it won't be difficult at times, with disphoric pain and feelings of uncertainty, but it is still a treasure, that sets us apart from the majority. The fact that our gift is insulted and hated by some, just reinforces the truth, that trans really is a gift from God. Otherwise, the world wouldn't hate us for it.

If there's reasons why God cries for us, and all people, i can only guess its because we don't go to him often enough, and try to do everything on our own, which often leads to our own pain and failure.

I know we are blessed just how we are.
You Trinity, are blessed just how you are, and for working so hard on your own life, while being a blessing to others who are struggling as well.

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Feb 25, 2015 1:40:47 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Yeah. Doesn't feel like that at all.

More like sadness that we suffer, feel cut off, go through hell, because we are different.

Felt like He feels what we feel, and it hurts Him.

That it isn't supposed to be like this.

That He loves us.

Trinity

I had no idea that this was your frame of reference from your original post and thought you were writing about something entirely different and that is because it was pretty ambiguous with short clipped thoughts rather than something coherent and intelligible. I'm not being mean, but it has a lot of bearing on why some of your posts don't get a lot of responses because they need to make sense to the rest of us. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, not my intent!

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Feb 25, 2015 5:49:45 GMT 8 Shan said:

Feb 25, 2015 1:40:47 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Yeah. Doesn't feel like that at all.

More like sadness that we suffer, feel cut off, go through hell, because we are different.

Felt like He feels what we feel, and it hurts Him.

That it isn't supposed to be like this.

That He loves us.

Trinity

I had no idea that this was your frame of reference from your original post and thought you were writing about something entirely different and that is because it was pretty ambiguous with short clipped thoughts rather than something coherent and intelligible. I'm not being mean, but it has a lot of bearing on why some of your posts don't get a lot of responses because they need to make sense to the rest of us. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, not my intent!

No worries no hurt feelings. Phones are a bitch, thoughts abbreviated due to the tiny keypad and no time.

:-)

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Feb 25, 2015 6:28:15 GMT 8 Trinity said:

Feb 25, 2015 5:49:45 GMT 8 Shan said:

I had no idea that this was your frame of reference from your original post and thought you were writing about something entirely different and that is because it was pretty ambiguous with short clipped thoughts rather than something coherent and intelligible. I'm not being mean, but it has a lot of bearing on why some of your posts don't get a lot of responses because they need to make sense to the rest of us. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, not my intent!

No worries no hurt feelings. Phones are a bitch, thoughts abbreviated due to the tiny keypad and no time.

:-)

Gotcha hon!

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Gotcha back....

Gooses Shan..... runs..

[Taka]

he has taken all our grief and sorrow upon him. of course he feels it. he feels it all. and we hurt him even more by cobtinuing to hurt each other.

it's a truly sad story.
my daughter cries when she thinks about it, how we hurt him.

he would have to feel sadness for the trans. he is the only one who truly knows us after all. all the suffering there is. he knows it even better than we do.

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Why is God Grieving? I don't think God is. I mean we were created within us Freewill. Oh yeah there is a separation but made by ourselves and the Divine Freewill. God has forever for us to find our way back. Well. I am a little different Christian than most everyone else but it is all our fault. God created our Spirits and our bodies are a side effect of a Spirit existing in a material universe. If something happened that the whole of mankind called on God simultaneously then the separation would be closed. But it would have to be really heartfelt and not just trying to save the bodies of mankind but the actual Souls of ourselves. But then we would still possibly suffer a physical death. So it would seem like God wouldn't be listening but in fact God would. And then we would take our rightful place wherever that may be.

If this is meant in a trans related deal Trinity. Even Christ was persecuted, suffered and died for His claims and knowledge of who he truly was. He wasn't trans but made some claims just like we claim to be male or female in the incorrect body. The body is the body and the Spirit is the Spirit. The body dies and turns back to dirt, the Spirit is eternal. So whatever happens to the body, no matter how bad it seems, the Spirit is the Divine spark that was created by God. So what is the part that God Loves most about us, the body and our physical existence or our Spirits and what is best for us on a Spiritual level?

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He loves all of us honey, just as He created us, and He created us trans.

The grieving is not head stuff or guessing.

I felt it, Him. I can always feel Him. It just is.

He is watching now. Like cover hidden, making sure we are ok. High above, vigilant, keeping an eye on things quietly. Not actively grieving tonight, just with us, part of us. Family to us.

I hope I have it right. But He is here.

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Feb 28, 2015 7:37:17 GMT 8 Trinity said:

He loves all of us honey, just as He created us, and He created us trans.

The grieving is not head stuff or guessing.

I felt it, Him. I can always feel Him. It just is.

He is watching now. Like cover hidden, making sure we are ok. High above, vigilant, keeping an eye on things quietly. Not actively grieving tonight, just with us, part of us. Family to us.

I hope I have it right. But He is here.

God is in us all. So if we grieve, God grieves. But there are many factions to God. The Creator of the Universe, The One God, The Ultimate Oneness, Creator of us and dogs and cats. Not to mention spiders, possums and all living creatures. I believe that God is in all of God's Creations. So to me if we kill any living creature other than for food or self defense then that is a sin because we are indeed killing the Spirit of God in whatever Creature. I told you I am a little different Christian and I do follow the teaching of Christ to the best of my ability. But God is everything.

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I went to church.

Went well for wife.

But condemned me, and the pain is off the charts.

Why does it go every time I go to church I want to eat a shotgun.

Back to now.

Why???????????????? These people cannot see their fruit......


I was going to delete the post.  No I won't hurt myself.  The preacher already did a terrific job of that.

They used the mistranslation effeminate in place of male temple prostitute in 1 cor. 10 v 6.  This was the scripture I thought was in revelation.  And the whole gay thing also puts me over.

Making it a condition of salvation to live straight or burn, but letting folk hooked on hate in.

I am so deeply bitter.  My wife needs the church, out of my love for her I take her, and then they choose to preach anti gay stuff saying Christ will deliver us.

I am half male half female, in fact, physically.  There is no gay or straight to me.  Only people, those I love.  One has me for keeps.

Explain to my why that condemns me to hell when I gave everything in me to the Jesus I love?

No wonder He called the Pharisees, the religious conservative legalistic, a nest of snakes.  

Enough, I am done.

Blind fools.  They say they see and have no eyes.
Trinity

[Laura J]

I think it's a matter of knowing going in that we'll probably be treated differently.? Even in the best of churches there's always going to be some, usually older people, who will never get it or accept it.?

But our faith and love of God doesn't come from a church, nor is dependent on one.
Its the personal relationship with Jesus Christ that is Christianity, and that one on one we feel inside of us who believe.

Honestly, when I go to a church, I go expecting the worst.
I know eventually the same will happen to me as it did you Trinity, my wife already is treated like gold, and the occasions I go I'm sure they're all watching and judging.
There will be some Sunday when the message turns to homosexual sins, or someone will pull me aside and ask me to dress a little more appropriate to be in a church, and I know I'll come unglued and tell them all F you, I'd even go as far to knock over the podium and storm out the door..
But they will never hurt me, or my relationship with God.

The christian church has blood on its hands.! The blood of people they shunned and persucuted that were on the edge seeking only peace but ended up another statistic because they're last hope was taken from them.!
Oh I hate them so bad.!

But thats not were my faith comes from, and I know you feel the same..

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I wonder how we will rise above this...it propels us straight to God's heart as we cry out in pain. Rest assured He hears it, and knows our heartcries.