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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 3:54:11 GMT 8
OK so I really don't know if I could be even considered Christian. Of course I believe Yeshua walked the earth and was a great teacher and is a much older Spirit created directly from God. I believe we are indirect creations from the seven Elohim but no less or more important than any other Creations created indirectly or directly from God. I guess I could be considered a Gnostic since that was the earliest form of Christs teachings and the Christian relgion. So in short I have no idea where I fall because I believe in Christ's teachings and One God but I also believe that Christianity should have built upon Buddhist teachings and Buddhist teaching buit upon Hindu teachings and so on. No any religions seperated but rather built upon by the next Spiritual enlightenment that come along. I also tend to believe in reincarnation. I really have hard time with this and am being extrememly sincere. So I ask everyone what would everyone consider me? No one has ever been able to answer this question from preists to preachers, from ministers to just plain old religious people. Can I even be classified with any religion? Any and all opinions are welcome and trust me I won't get offended. I'm just interested to hear what openminded and extrememly intellegent people that are more in touch with their inner selves think. What is your position on the cross dear...the core of forgiveness, the gateway into paradise. That is the core of it all, the price paid for our entry, as free gift through faith. It's the key to it all... Trinity
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OK so I really don't know if I could be even considered Christian. Of course I believe Yeshua walked the earth and was a great teacher and is a much older Spirit created directly from God. I believe we are indirect creations from the seven Elohim but no less or more important than any other Creations created indirectly or directly from God. I guess I could be considered a Gnostic since that was the earliest form of Christs teachings and the Christian relgion. So in short I have no idea where I fall because I believe in Christ's teachings and One God but I also believe that Christianity should have built upon Buddhist teachings and Buddhist teaching buit upon Hindu teachings and so on. No any religions seperated but rather built upon by the next Spiritual enlightenment that come along. I also tend to believe in reincarnation. I really have hard time with this and am being extrememly sincere. So I ask everyone what would everyone consider me? No one has ever been able to answer this question from preists to preachers, from ministers to just plain old religious people. Can I even be classified with any religion? Any and all opinions are welcome and trust me I won't get offended. I'm just interested to hear what openminded and extrememly intellegent people that are more in touch with their inner selves think. the main element in christianity is christ. Not just that he live. Most people believe that their existed someone named yeshua in hebrew, called jesus the christ (christ meaning messiah, savior, or redeemer) in english, through whom we overcome life's shortcomings. for example, jesus is in the koran, however is only said to be a messanger, not the son of god nor messiah/christ. since he isn't islam' s christ, they are not christians. two major theological camps exist. Works and faith-alone. Works says repentence, penance and good works (deeds) is required. Faith-alone says his grace is sufficient, and we can never overcome on our own. we can't earn what was feely given ive seen charts comparing major thelogical core belief differences.
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That's just it Trinity. I don't really know. The cross I don't really think as much about as I do the Spirit of Christ. What Christ's message was and how, I believe anyway especially through the Gnostic books, he had Judas supposedly betray him in order to sacrafice himself for mankind because it was meant to be. The cross could be used as a religous symbol but it was a punishment of crucifiction by the Roman Empire at the time. That is just it. I would rather honor Chtist and Christ' teaching the life of Christ and the amount of Love and Conviction to be sacrificed for the whole of humankind than focus on Christ's last hours of trememdous torment. Yeah. What do I think of the Cross. It makes me sad. FOr me it isn't as much about Christ's crucifixion as Christ's Spirit and Love in the first place to self sacrifice for us. So personally I would rather remember the teachings and the life and what he gave up other than how that earthly life ended. That is the wierd part of me because I believe more in messages, teachings, Spirits and so on other than I do like the cross of Christianity. I think the Spirit of Yeshua is still with us in the form of the Holy Spirit. And that Spirit is inside of us in a way of a consciousness and all we have to do to herald the return of Christ is a worldwide shift of consciousness to what I have heard deemed the "Christ Consciousness". OK so I have read and heard and looked into different consciousnesses and the conscious mind is rooted in this world, the subconscious mind is a link between the Ethereal Spritual World ( I guess you could call it that). Above that is the super consciousness which is where our Souls supposedly reside. ( a term used with past life regressions ) and the Christ Concsiousness which is our direct link to the Spirit of Christ and what some may percieve as the Holy Spirit. Maybe Trinity, I have looked too much into these things. Looked at way too many different religions and kind of blended them all together. Maybe it is the way I have to see Spirituality in order to experience it. Maybe I am just totally insane and dillusional. All I know is that it can't be a bad thing because even if I am insane or dellusional, I believe it has made me a better person. Makes me compassionate, empathetic, non judgemental, and loving. Loving and forgiving even those that hate and tell me I don't follow this teaching or that teaching and will go to hell. Believe me if the common perceptions of heaven and hell are true, I am definately not worthy of heaven. Heaven is the least of my worries of the way I try to be. I try to be the way I am and treat and respect others like I want to be treated. And if they can't treat or respect me the same then I can forgive them. I harbor no ill feeling against anyone. But the idea of heaven or hell I could care less about. Where I go is where I will go. If it is another life then so be it. If it is an eternity of pain and anguish, so be it. If it is amn eternity of blissfulness, then so be it. But I could not live with myself knowing that I hurt another. Either through words or physically. Yes I have hurt people, not physically but emotionally and I wish for forgiveness and other have hurt me and I forgive them. I can't hate no one. That is what confuses me the most. What the hell am I? I have never ran into anyone else that even come close to thinking they way I do. That is why I claim Gnosticism, but that really is about the closest I come to anything. I told you I see and percieve things a lot different than other people. It's really a lonely place to be. Mainstream religions can't accept me because of the way I think. New age religions can't accept be because of the way I think. I accept me and hopfully Christ accepts me and God accepts me. But if not I still accept everyone and thier right to live their lives the way they want with no judgement from me. If anything I have searched earnestly and honestly for both and have tried to understand both. Or the One. Or the Devine Singularity with many different unique selves that were created with Devine Love. I don't get angry discussing any relgion because I think it is an extrememly personal thing. I think our perceptions are formed by our life experiences and everyone's life experiences are all different. My mom was Pentecostal and when I was five some of the things I heard scared the crap out of me. But I formed my own thoughts. I could have very easily been scared into following such a strict doctrine but wasn't. It didn't feel right to be scared of a Loving God. One of punishment and reward instead of unconditional love and patience. Maybe I am dellusional or just flat out insane. Sometimes I really wonder. But seriously though Trinity. Is it really important? I do believe, honor and have the utmost respect and love for the Spirit of Christ. I do believe in One Main Devine Entity we call God or other names that is total Unconditional Devine Love. That is what I love about this place. No matter what, there is no judgement. There are no arguments. There is nothing but respect and love for one another no matter what we believe, how we identify, what we want, how far we want to go, whether we want to turn back and who we are. Sorry for such a long post Trinity. Yeah hon, I gotta' big mouth. Southern girl ya' know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 5:30:08 GMT 8
OK so I really don't know if I could be even considered Christian. Of course I believe Yeshua walked the earth and was a great teacher and is a much older Spirit created directly from God. I believe we are indirect creations from the seven Elohim but no less or more important than any other Creations created indirectly or directly from God. I guess I could be considered a Gnostic since that was the earliest form of Christs teachings and the Christian relgion. So in short I have no idea where I fall because I believe in Christ's teachings and One God but I also believe that Christianity should have built upon Buddhist teachings and Buddhist teaching buit upon Hindu teachings and so on. No any religions seperated but rather built upon by the next Spiritual enlightenment that come along. I also tend to believe in reincarnation. I really have hard time with this and am being extrememly sincere. So I ask everyone what would everyone consider me? No one has ever been able to answer this question from preists to preachers, from ministers to just plain old religious people. Can I even be classified with any religion? Any and all opinions are welcome and trust me I won't get offended. I'm just interested to hear what openminded and extrememly intellegent people that are more in touch with their inner selves think. the main element in christianity is christ. Not just that he live. Most people believe that their existed someone named yeshua in hebrew, called jesus the christ (christ meaning messiah, savior, or redeemer) in english, through whom we overcome life's shortcomings. for example, jesus is in the koran, however is only said to be a messanger, not the son of god nor messiah/christ. since he isn't islam' s christ, they are not christians. two major theological camps exist. Works and faith-alone. Works says repentence, penance and good works (deeds) is required. Faith-alone says his grace is sufficient, and we can never overcome on our own. we can't earn what was feely given ive seen charts comparing major thelogical core belief differences. Thanx Whisper. That is what confuses me. I think Christ was the Son of God and the son of man. I believe we are too. Our Spirits were devinely created and our bodies were created by the fastest and strongest sperm penetrating the egg. So our Spirits were Created by a Devine Entity and our bodies were a creation of the natural world. So I see humans as being a duality and in constant conflict between the nature of the body with all the urges and instincts of animals with a Devine Spark that gives us insight of what is right and wrong or good and evil. BTW I believe all intellegent creatures have Devine Spirits, but they are indeed innocent Spirits on their own paths. They don't know right from wrong and can;t percieve good or evil, just live by insticts. We through Freewill decided to eat from the Tree of Knowledge and put us on a fast track to either self destruction or finding our way back to the One.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 5:35:28 GMT 8
I would say bigger is better but this is not the place...
I am not legalistic and you know my background. It's all about your relationship with him. Yes I know the planes, all that, but the bottom line is he is at the top. We cannot burn out kharma. He blows it away in a breath. It's not the pain of the cross its the love that he has and took for it. Grace is offered, a way out.
The spirit world is a dangerous place. We have his protection.
I will go into it more later, and thank you whisper.
Blessings my dears, unconditionally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 5:52:52 GMT 8
I would say bigger is better but this is not the place... I am not legalistic and you know my background. It's all about your relationship with him. Yes I know the planes, all that, but the bottom line is he is at the top. We cannot burn out kharma. He blows it away in a breath. It's not the pain of the cross its the love that he has and took for it. Grace is offered, a way out. The spirit world is a dangerous place. We have his protection. I will go into it more later, and thank you whisper. Blessings my dears, unconditionally. Trinity That's just it. On my death bed no matter what I can say I tried to understand the Mind of God with all I have. I have tried to be as forgiving, compassionate, loving and non judgemental inspired by Christ's life. But the Spirit world. You know my background hon. I investigate the paranormal at times and used to quite a bit. I have come across some insatances that surprised the crap out of me but I never felt any fear. Even from non human or so called elemental spirits. Still intellegent but for whatever reason never was or chose to be human. Maybe I am totally insane. I am looking foreward to what you gat to say later though. Thank you Trinity. And thank You Whisper.
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Post by Laura J on Dec 20, 2014 5:53:17 GMT 8
Sometimes we can make this very complicated, and over think it.?
The only thing you need think about to start is whether you believe God gave his only son, to die for your sins. If you reach a place where that hits you, That God literally sent his only son here to be tortured and killed in place of you, so your sins could be wiped clean as snow, because he loves you so much, then you've got it..
Also God promises we will be together in heaven, with perfect bodies (that fit us).. Can you imagine how Cool thats going to be...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 6:15:43 GMT 8
Yup. And I know what Jamie is saying too.
No time right now.
I have seen the demonic. You would fear...
I know the touch of god, I know the other touch. I am wired into the holy spirit. Maybe since I was trained I see things and feel things that others don't. That's fine.
It's a matter of power dear, and of why we came down. It's our ticket out. We are in the lower planes...
What was bought for us is incredible. I know this dear, I have seen Him. He is inside me now.
Where do you think the love of trinity comes from? It's not me...maybe part, but he lit that candle in my core.
Relationship, freedom from the bondage of law, protection from the enemies of our soul, just by accepting he is who he said he is.
It's mindboggling.
A matter of heart and spirit, not head. Far deeper. It's truth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 6:23:52 GMT 8
Sometimes we can make this very complicated, and over think it.? The only thing you need think about to start is whether you believe God gave his only son, to die for your sins. If you reach a place where that hits you, That God literally sent his only son here to be tortured and killed in place of you, so your sins could be wiped clean as snow, because he loves you so much, then you've got it.. Also God promises we will be together in heaven, with perfect bodies (that fit us).. Can you imagine how Cool thats going to be... Wow Mark. Your wife is lucky because you seem to always know what to say to make someone feel better. What I wold to with a perfect body. Now is this a body or just the way intellegent energy looks outside of our physical limitations of vision? I think we are all perfect. But I am not bound to my body though. I am who I am regardless of what is on the outside. Oh that hits me but I think we are all Sons and Daughters of God but also sons and daughters of man too. With my thoughts on reincarnation physical death is a price we all pay for living a physical life. I do tend to overthink things or not really overthink but truly delve and immerse myslef into mysteries. It's like OMG, the whole trans thing led me to look for answers. That led me to the posibilities of reincarnation and the whole history of all the religions through time that have believed in reincarnation. Some of the things by doing a little research on the dynamics of reincarnation and psychological studies of past life regressions would absolutely astound you. Theodora was the Roman Emporors wife in the 6th century. Just remember that if you want to research it on your own. Maybe I'm not anything really.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 6:41:29 GMT 8
I agree Trinity. Resonance or vibrational levels is the the key. Theoretical physicist like Michio Kaku talk about it in the Multiverse Theory.
No, Demons don't scare me even. I am not worthy of heaven anyway so what have I got to lose? But I have never run across a true Demonic Spirit in any of my invetigations. Oh yeah I have been pushed, touched and even scratched once. Heard growls and such on recorded media in the way of EVPs. I'm thinking more on the growls as natural spirits. I have done quite a few investigations that supposedly were Demonic but came to the conclusion of they were just bitter spirits or actually mean and evil in life and are trapped on this plane until they let all the hate and or anger go. We are Spirits too but inhabit a physical body. When it comes to that it turns more into a parapsychological event. Then the person or people or family have to be psychologically strong enough. Either through religious symbols like a blessed cross. The blessed crosses work if you believe they work. If you don't believe then they won't work. I don't buy that spirits will attach to you. I used to like Ghost Hunters but then they started talking all kind of things like spirits attatching themselve to you jsut... Ratings are the key for TV shows. Once you get one, they are hard to give up and then you kind of fudge things for more ratings to stay on the air. I have invited even and nothing, but maybe there was nothing ever there to begin with. It's really hard to explain.
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Post by Laura J on Dec 20, 2014 6:48:26 GMT 8
Sometimes we can make this very complicated, and over think it.? The only thing you need think about to start is whether you believe God gave his only son, to die for your sins. If you reach a place where that hits you, That God literally sent his only son here to be tortured and killed in place of you, so your sins could be wiped clean as snow, because he loves you so much, then you've got it.. Also God promises we will be together in heaven, with perfect bodies (that fit us).. Can you imagine how Cool thats going to be... Maybe I'm not anything really. Awwww, Sweetie you most certainly are.! <3 That's like I was, I thought God was everything and in everybody, like the Star Wars Force or something.? But the moment I cried and accepted his free gift of his son into my heart, it became a very personal intimate relationship.. I'm not very good with words, but it became a tangible, real part of me, instead of just a broad belief about everything and everyone.. You are not "not anything", not to me or god..
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Maybe I'm not anything really. Awwww, Sweetie you most certainly are.! <3 That's like I was, I thought God was everything and in everybody, like the Star Wars Force or something.? But the moment I cried and accepted his free gift of his son into my heart, it became a very personal intimate relationship.. I'm not very good with words, but it became a tangible, real part of me, instead of just a broad belief about everything and everyone.. You are not "not anything", not to me or god.. Thanx Mark. I know, you're right. Hell hon, every weekend when I was stationed in Korea I was a Buddhist Temple. This temple was roughly 4000 years old. They shared their food with me, taught me meditation, taught me their beliefs and were really good friends. And extrememly patient with all the questions I asked. They taught me to respect all life. Now I find a spider in my house, I take them outside and put them in my hedges. I trap mice in my house with a 5 gallon bucket with some corn and peanut butter at the bottom with a 4 foot 1x6. I then take them to the woods and either they make it or end up food for birds of prey, coyotes, bobcats and so on. The circle of life. Two Cottonmouths I found a couple of years ago and took a chance and got them in a bucket and let them go in a swampy area. I still believe in God and Christ but most can't or won't accept the way I believe. It is kind of lonely belief wise. I guess my big paradox is that when I die, which will be a long time from now, what kind of burial will I have? Since I have no religion supposedly who is gonna give me a funeral? Maybe if something like a terminal illness happens I may go in my last days so far from people and complete the circle of life myself. Mybe go out listening to Highway to Hell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 7:28:51 GMT 8
Elemental. The last time I encountered that was forty years ago. Creepy things, conscious, aware of you in the spirit world, in the bottom planes. Mostly seemed like something that was aware, you could feel it. But they didn't do anything.
It was a long time ago dear, the days of the psychic and the occult.
No I have dealt with fighting the demonic and it's no joke. I have seen in the spirit my god cast out something that was attacking us and it was like a freight train hitting a mosquito. It's no joke. Not at all. Won't say more there.
There is a great book by John Stott called the cross of Christ. It explores it in depth. I don't know of any Gnostic stuff etc, I rely on the bible as my source, all the answers are there.
But I do know what I speak of dear.
As for you, who says you need a denomination?
All you need is to be wired in to Jesus.
Simplify. And watch the magic happen, another transformation, one of the spirit.
It's priceless Jamie. Beyond your wildest dreams.
You can come with me where i will finally go. Joy in every cell in your spirit body. Have you felt it? It's waiting, it's within our grasp.
Find the author of life, the one who made you trans for a purpose, the one who brought you here.
Odds. A Christian who was once a psychic, who is Nonbinary mtf, and willing to tell of it.
And here we are face to face by divine appointment, the naughty but pure fairy, with the wild one of the forest, freely embracing and chatting in perfect love and compassion.
That is the core my dear...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 11:45:22 GMT 8
You are wise Trinity. Maybe I don't need any denomination. After all that is just another label really.
Elementals are pretty cool. Nature Spirits. Maybe they are smart enough to not ever choose to be human? Demons we probably differ in opinoion on. I think we and our condition in a human form are our own demons. But we can differ in perceptions and I have helped quite a few that thought they were cursed either by voodoo, hoodoo or demonic curses. I have investigated poltergiest activity and over a few different nights and days. With poltergiest activity, it's a whole different animal. It can be a teenager with raging hormones and usually tied more to teen girls than boys. But niether one is immune.
I don't believe in blessed crosses. But then again I do in a parapsycholgical sense. I have seen them work and have seen them not work and it really depends on how strongly a person or people believe they will work. I have even suggested them to people that were having paranormal activity and sometimes they worked and sometimes not. This leads me to believe more on the parpsychological line and a person has to be convinced psychologically that it is powerful enough to work.
Even if you don't believe, I really suggest reading what is left of the 13 forgotten gospels or the Gnostic texts. It is more mystic and leads to a lot more questions. The Bible does have answers but I like questions and mysteries. You give me an answer and I will probably yawn. Give me aquestion or mystery and I try to figure it out. I like mysticism and the supernatural along with the natural. I don't know dear sister. I am a strange one indeed. I find answers through questions. I find comfort in mysteries and in unsurity. I am as chaotic as the universe. But with an order that seems like an impossibility.
But yeah when it comes to Christ I have had 3 approaches. The Bible, The Gnostic texts and recorded history.
This is truly a special place Trinity. The Evil Queen in black and the Good Fairy talking without me casting a curse or you waving a wand to banish me. But ain't that what it should be about though? In another place I often said society should model themselves after us but here they should learn from us and then model the rest of society after us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 19:30:19 GMT 8
You are no evil queen dear.
I need to back away from the discussion, remember I left the occult for protection, it is unwise to open my mind to those spirits Through memories. Will answer any Christian Pentecostal stuff or why I believe any time.
It's not about physical crosses.
It's the overwhelming power of the holy spirit. To heal, transform, protect, prepare.
So, back to prayer time.
Some are in serious scenarios.
Time to intercede for them.
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